3 00:00:32,566 --> 00:00:34,603 [THUNDER CRASHING] 4 00:00:34,637 --> 00:00:36,156 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING] 5 00:00:45,510 --> 00:00:49,031 Deep in the heart of Kentucky, a man is building an ark. 6 00:00:49,065 --> 00:00:50,688 He doesn't think he's the new Noah, 7 00:00:50,722 --> 00:00:54,277 but he does think the Biblestory may in fact be factual, 8 00:00:54,312 --> 00:00:57,729 and he wants to open a theme park to make the case. 9 00:00:57,764 --> 00:00:59,524 [THUNDER CONTINUES RUMBLING] 10 00:01:07,256 --> 00:01:08,706 FEMALE NEWSREADER: The $100 million Ark 11 00:01:08,740 --> 00:01:12,606 is expected to draw about 1.4 million people a year. 12 00:01:12,641 --> 00:01:17,128 Folks here in Williamstown say the ark is a once in a lifetime opportunity. 13 00:01:17,162 --> 00:01:19,475 That would be incredible to go see. 14 00:01:19,509 --> 00:01:20,925 [HORSE NEIGHS] 15 00:01:26,275 --> 00:01:28,001 WOMAN: There's gonna be scientists on site 16 00:01:28,035 --> 00:01:30,762 to talk with folk about what Noah's Ark is all about. 17 00:01:30,797 --> 00:01:33,454 This is monumental. It's huge. 18 00:01:33,489 --> 00:01:35,318 It's... Oh, my goodness! 19 00:01:35,353 --> 00:01:37,735 Did man and dinosaurs live together? 20 00:01:37,769 --> 00:01:39,046 MAN: Folks in awe. 21 00:01:39,081 --> 00:01:40,600 [SOMBER MUSIC CONTINUES] 22 00:01:47,676 --> 00:01:51,196 MAN: When finished, his ark will be seven stories tall 23 00:01:51,231 --> 00:01:54,165 and a football field, and a half long. 24 00:01:58,756 --> 00:02:03,623 Kentucky's tourism department has awarded $18 million in tax breaks 25 00:02:03,657 --> 00:02:04,865 for a biblical theme park. 26 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:06,522 They wanna set up the Noah's Ark theme park. 27 00:02:06,556 --> 00:02:08,835 That's all fine. I'm all happy with that. 28 00:02:08,869 --> 00:02:10,664 Let them use their own money. 29 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:12,252 [SOMBER MUSIC CONTINUES] 30 00:02:27,923 --> 00:02:29,718 [ANIMAL ROARS] 31 00:02:29,752 --> 00:02:31,202 REPORTER: People get off the interstate to come to the Ark Encounter... 32 00:02:31,236 --> 00:02:32,962 They're going to encounter this first. 33 00:02:32,997 --> 00:02:34,688 [PROTESTERS CHANTING INDISTINCTLY] 34 00:02:34,723 --> 00:02:38,519 The Ark Encounter is immoral, impossible, and un-American. 35 00:02:38,554 --> 00:02:41,108 There's all kinds of stuff in there that's not in the Bible. 36 00:02:41,143 --> 00:02:42,592 [THUNDER RUMBLES] 37 00:02:42,627 --> 00:02:44,215 [SOMBER MUSIC CONTINUES] 38 00:03:35,438 --> 00:03:38,062 PATRICK MARSH: The Ark Encounter is, is a project 39 00:03:38,096 --> 00:03:41,548 which ultimately will entail 800 acres. 40 00:03:41,582 --> 00:03:45,414 And it's a 510 feet long ship 41 00:03:45,448 --> 00:03:47,174 set 12 feet off of the ground. 42 00:03:47,209 --> 00:03:50,177 It's gonna be about 65 feet if you're standing on the top of it. 43 00:03:53,215 --> 00:03:56,252 This is something I think that has a great lasting ability 44 00:03:56,287 --> 00:03:58,116 to be able really introduce people 45 00:03:58,151 --> 00:04:00,084 to biblical truth and biblical history. 46 00:04:00,118 --> 00:04:03,432 So, yeah, I would ultimately say this is gonna be the greatest thing 47 00:04:03,466 --> 00:04:05,606 I will have... Ever had a chance to do. 48 00:04:11,302 --> 00:04:15,789 This first phase is, uh, something like $57 million. 49 00:04:15,824 --> 00:04:16,997 The whole... 50 00:04:17,032 --> 00:04:20,898 The whole park itself is somewhere around $160 million. 51 00:04:20,932 --> 00:04:22,969 People will enter it from behind here, 52 00:04:23,003 --> 00:04:26,179 all of the queue lines that we have are all teaching queue lines. 53 00:04:26,213 --> 00:04:28,629 So basically, you're really kind of learning about 54 00:04:28,664 --> 00:04:30,493 the pre-flood culture as you walk along. 55 00:04:30,528 --> 00:04:34,359 Really starting all the way from Adam in the beginning of creation. 56 00:04:34,394 --> 00:04:37,811 Well, the Ark is just one huge museum 57 00:04:37,846 --> 00:04:39,123 in the way that it functions. 58 00:04:39,848 --> 00:04:41,125 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING] 59 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:12,328 [MUSIC CONTINUES] 60 00:05:22,649 --> 00:05:24,168 [PEOPLE CHATTING] 61 00:05:33,315 --> 00:05:34,937 [MUSIC CONTINUES] 62 00:05:45,258 --> 00:05:47,225 Check one, check two, check, check. 63 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:49,469 Um, I'm speaking, I think... 64 00:05:49,503 --> 00:05:51,471 [LAUGHS] Oh, on the relevance, I'm pretty sure. 65 00:05:51,505 --> 00:05:53,576 I do one of two talks, usually. 66 00:05:53,611 --> 00:05:55,199 But I'm pretty sure it's on the relevance of Genesis. 67 00:05:55,233 --> 00:05:58,547 So kind of focusing on how that's relevant in our culture today, 68 00:05:58,581 --> 00:05:59,893 and young people leaving the church. 69 00:05:59,928 --> 00:06:01,930 It's a pleasure to be here with you this afternoon. 70 00:06:01,964 --> 00:06:04,760 and to talk with you about creation vs. evolution, 71 00:06:04,794 --> 00:06:06,348 is Genesisrelevant? 72 00:06:06,382 --> 00:06:07,452 And what we're going to talk about... 73 00:06:07,487 --> 00:06:09,523 We live in a very visual society, 74 00:06:09,558 --> 00:06:12,147 and we wanna... We wanna be able 75 00:06:12,181 --> 00:06:14,425 to bring that same level that you see 76 00:06:14,459 --> 00:06:16,151 for example at the Smithsonian, 77 00:06:16,185 --> 00:06:19,533 but without the evolutionary indoctrination. 78 00:06:19,568 --> 00:06:21,777 The evolutionary fairytale, so to speak. 79 00:06:21,811 --> 00:06:24,297 We need to educate our children from a very young age 80 00:06:24,331 --> 00:06:26,195 about the truthfulness and authority of God's word, 81 00:06:26,230 --> 00:06:30,648 because they are hearing all of this stuff out there in the world 82 00:06:30,682 --> 00:06:33,064 about dinosaurs and millions of years, and evolution... 83 00:06:33,099 --> 00:06:36,757 We know from scripture that if you look at the genealogies, 84 00:06:36,792 --> 00:06:39,277 especially those in Genesischapter five and eleven. 85 00:06:39,968 --> 00:06:41,141 It tells the names of people, 86 00:06:41,176 --> 00:06:42,660 how old they were when they died. 87 00:06:42,694 --> 00:06:45,249 So, we can actually add those ages up. 88 00:06:45,283 --> 00:06:46,664 And if you go from Adam to Abraham, 89 00:06:46,698 --> 00:06:48,286 you'll see there's about 2,000 years. 90 00:06:48,321 --> 00:06:49,874 And from other genealogy, 91 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:52,877 we know there's about 2,000 years between Abraham and Christ. 92 00:06:52,912 --> 00:06:57,261 And we, of course, know there's about 2,000 years between Christ and today. 93 00:06:57,295 --> 00:07:00,091 So that gives us a grand total of 6,000 years. 94 00:07:00,126 --> 00:07:03,163 There's only 6,000 years, not millions and millions of years 95 00:07:03,198 --> 00:07:04,613 being possible. 96 00:07:06,856 --> 00:07:10,964 If we don't take what the Biblesays in one part as true, 97 00:07:10,999 --> 00:07:13,415 then it becomes a problem for the rest of the scripture. 98 00:07:13,449 --> 00:07:15,624 And that's really what this is about. 99 00:07:17,557 --> 00:07:20,318 And is it all true, or is only a part of it true? 100 00:07:20,353 --> 00:07:21,733 Because if only a part of it's true, 101 00:07:21,768 --> 00:07:23,425 then how do you know any of it's true? 102 00:07:25,047 --> 00:07:27,705 The scripture doesn't need anything other than itself, 103 00:07:27,739 --> 00:07:29,603 because it is the ultimate authority, 104 00:07:29,638 --> 00:07:33,297 and it is true, so therefore, whatever it says is true. 105 00:07:33,331 --> 00:07:35,644 Because it's the inerrant the word of God, so... 106 00:07:36,231 --> 00:07:37,853 But because it's true, 107 00:07:37,887 --> 00:07:40,580 we would expect science to be consistent with it, 108 00:07:40,614 --> 00:07:43,169 and confirm it. And it does. 109 00:07:43,203 --> 00:07:45,654 We've actually gotten to the point in our home 110 00:07:45,688 --> 00:07:48,036 that we do not use the term "Biblestory" anymore. 111 00:07:48,070 --> 00:07:49,485 It has been outlawed. 112 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,073 We will say Bibleaccount, 113 00:07:51,108 --> 00:07:53,075 Bibleevent, Biblehistory, 114 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:54,214 but it's not a story. 115 00:07:54,249 --> 00:07:55,871 These are things that really happened. 116 00:07:55,905 --> 00:07:56,976 This is true. 117 00:08:00,945 --> 00:08:03,913 One of our themes this year is about rescuing our kids, 118 00:08:03,948 --> 00:08:06,192 from the evolutionary ideas of millions of years, 119 00:08:06,226 --> 00:08:09,885 because it's just rampant in material for children. 120 00:08:09,919 --> 00:08:13,061 Whether it be cartoons, or books, or school. 121 00:08:17,927 --> 00:08:21,552 We have a lot of stationary of dinosaurs, 122 00:08:21,586 --> 00:08:24,313 as well as several animatronic dinosaurs. 123 00:08:24,348 --> 00:08:25,797 [ROARING] 124 00:08:31,493 --> 00:08:35,428 Because kids really are fascinated by them. 125 00:08:35,462 --> 00:08:38,465 And there's just something about, you know, going out into the museum 126 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:39,880 and seeing these dinosaurs 127 00:08:39,915 --> 00:08:42,159 and seeing all those things that you might see 128 00:08:42,193 --> 00:08:44,506 at a "regular" museum so to speak. 129 00:08:44,540 --> 00:08:46,232 But from a very different perspective. 130 00:08:46,266 --> 00:08:47,785 [DINOSAUR SCREECHING] 131 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,728 Our design team has been working really hard 132 00:08:59,762 --> 00:09:02,213 on putting together an exhibit donated to us. 133 00:09:02,248 --> 00:09:07,184 I think it's one of the largest Allosaurus ever discovered. 134 00:09:07,218 --> 00:09:09,876 And so, that's just great for us, 135 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:12,085 to be able to display something just as fine 136 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,156 as what the Smithsonian Museum would do. 137 00:09:14,191 --> 00:09:17,711 Because we believe that these things are not millions of years old. 138 00:09:17,746 --> 00:09:19,851 They're actually only thousands of years old. 139 00:09:20,852 --> 00:09:22,716 For some reason, after the flood, 140 00:09:22,751 --> 00:09:24,787 just like with a lot of other organisms, 141 00:09:24,822 --> 00:09:26,824 the animals weren't able to survive, 142 00:09:26,858 --> 00:09:28,619 and so, they've become extinct today. 143 00:09:28,653 --> 00:09:31,000 As far as we know, they've become extinct today. 144 00:09:34,625 --> 00:09:36,385 I'm very excited, yeah. 145 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:38,491 Yeah. It's gonna be awesome. 146 00:09:39,147 --> 00:09:40,493 Oh, sorry, man. 147 00:09:42,495 --> 00:09:46,326 When a guy comes at you with a dinosaur femur, you get out of the way. 148 00:09:46,361 --> 00:09:48,087 -[MEN SPEAK INDISTINCTLY] -Yeah. 149 00:09:50,054 --> 00:09:52,643 As a Creation museum, this is great for us. 150 00:09:52,677 --> 00:09:55,611 We believe in dinosaurs. People think we don't believe in dinosaurs. 151 00:09:55,646 --> 00:09:59,512 We believe in dinosaurs. We believe that, um, 152 00:09:59,546 --> 00:10:02,170 dinosaurs and man lived at the same time. 153 00:10:02,204 --> 00:10:05,828 TheBible does talk about Creation Week. 154 00:10:05,863 --> 00:10:09,694 And all the mammals and human were created on day six. 155 00:10:09,729 --> 00:10:12,456 So, that would mean that they were on the same day. 156 00:10:12,490 --> 00:10:14,768 Does it just have one clavicle? 157 00:10:14,803 --> 00:10:16,149 -Yeah. -I didn't know that. 158 00:10:16,184 --> 00:10:19,083 -A furcula. It's a fused spine. -Furcula. 159 00:10:20,084 --> 00:10:21,603 Oh, that is weird. 160 00:10:23,191 --> 00:10:27,298 I think that it's just a really cool thing to have 161 00:10:27,333 --> 00:10:29,749 a, a real dinosaur 162 00:10:30,198 --> 00:10:31,613 of this caliber. 163 00:10:31,647 --> 00:10:35,272 This is a fossil created during Noah's Flood. 164 00:10:35,306 --> 00:10:39,034 And so we're gonna have signage that teaches about that idea. 165 00:10:39,414 --> 00:10:40,484 Oh, yeah. 166 00:10:40,518 --> 00:10:42,555 Oh, wait a minute. Oh, that looks nice. 167 00:10:43,003 --> 00:10:43,970 I like that. 168 00:10:44,004 --> 00:10:45,351 It's easy to read. 169 00:10:45,385 --> 00:10:47,836 If there was a global flood, you would expect to find 170 00:10:47,870 --> 00:10:49,941 billions of dead things buried in rock, 171 00:10:49,976 --> 00:10:51,598 laid down by water all over the Earth. 172 00:10:51,633 --> 00:10:53,911 And that's exactly what we find. 173 00:10:53,945 --> 00:10:58,226 We look at all these layers of sediment not as a record of millions of years, 174 00:10:58,260 --> 00:10:59,606 uh, of life on Earth, 175 00:10:59,641 --> 00:11:02,230 but rather as a record of burial during Noah's Flood. 176 00:11:04,611 --> 00:11:07,545 I just wanna take a minute 177 00:11:07,580 --> 00:11:09,754 and thank the Lord for getting this in here. 178 00:11:09,789 --> 00:11:12,619 Father, thank you so much that you've, 179 00:11:12,654 --> 00:11:14,759 um, allowed all this to come together. 180 00:11:14,794 --> 00:11:17,245 Thank you that we can have this fossil, 181 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:21,766 and it's just a really cool thing. 182 00:11:21,801 --> 00:11:25,805 Thank you for the testimony that it is of the flood. 183 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:27,910 Of the judgement of the flood, 184 00:11:27,945 --> 00:11:30,430 and ultimately, of your reality. 185 00:11:30,465 --> 00:11:32,191 And uh... Just thank you so much. 186 00:11:32,225 --> 00:11:34,710 And especially I wanna thank you for Jesus. 187 00:11:34,745 --> 00:11:36,333 And it's in his name I pray. 188 00:11:36,367 --> 00:11:37,748 Amen. 189 00:11:39,715 --> 00:11:42,028 Okay, we're gonna get it unveiled here. 190 00:11:42,062 --> 00:11:43,857 We're going to open and dedicate 191 00:11:43,892 --> 00:11:46,343 a new exhibit here at the Creation Museum. 192 00:11:46,377 --> 00:11:50,312 Before we unveil this beautiful fossil and the reconstruction, 193 00:11:50,347 --> 00:11:53,384 I just want to mention something about the new Ark Project. 194 00:11:53,419 --> 00:11:55,731 It'll be open in 2016, by the way. 195 00:11:55,766 --> 00:11:59,148 A life size Noah's Ark is being constructed. 196 00:11:59,183 --> 00:12:02,566 Okay. Now if we're ready for the exhibit to be unveiled, 197 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,154 we shall take down the plastic curtain. 198 00:12:11,091 --> 00:12:12,714 [CROWD EXCLAIMING] 199 00:12:17,166 --> 00:12:19,893 [PEOPLE SINGING] ♪ I don't believe in evolution 200 00:12:19,928 --> 00:12:22,758 ♪ I know creation is true 201 00:12:22,793 --> 00:12:27,315 ♪ I believe that God above created me and you 202 00:12:27,349 --> 00:12:29,938 ♪ So praise His name and what he says... 203 00:12:29,972 --> 00:12:32,112 [SINGING CONTINUES INDISTINCTLY] 204 00:12:32,147 --> 00:12:33,907 [INAUDIBLE DIALOG] 205 00:12:33,942 --> 00:12:36,945 ♪ I don't believe in evolution I know creation is true 206 00:12:36,979 --> 00:12:41,812 ♪ I don't believe in evolution I know creation is true ♪ 207 00:12:41,846 --> 00:12:43,883 [SERENE MUSIC PLAYING] 208 00:12:54,583 --> 00:12:56,344 DAVID MACMILLAN: When I started talking about the Ark Encounter 209 00:12:56,378 --> 00:12:57,897 and getting it all set up, 210 00:12:57,931 --> 00:12:59,899 I was really excited 'cause I was still a Creationist. 211 00:13:02,453 --> 00:13:05,870 I thought, "Wow, we'll get a whole scale model of the ark. 212 00:13:05,905 --> 00:13:07,147 "That's not been done." 213 00:13:07,182 --> 00:13:08,942 I really wanted them to really go into detail 214 00:13:08,977 --> 00:13:11,013 and show how it all could have worked. 215 00:13:14,707 --> 00:13:17,261 I prefer to use the term "indoctrination". 216 00:13:19,677 --> 00:13:22,162 These ideas are very deeply imbedded. 217 00:13:23,992 --> 00:13:26,132 You hear them over and over and over again 218 00:13:26,166 --> 00:13:28,652 that theBible has to be history. 219 00:13:29,169 --> 00:13:30,343 If you go over, 220 00:13:30,378 --> 00:13:33,208 if you believe in evolution, you're hurting the gospel. 221 00:13:33,242 --> 00:13:36,280 You're making it hard for people to get saved. 222 00:13:36,315 --> 00:13:40,905 Next thing you know, you're going to be a raving atheist, feminist, communist, 223 00:13:40,940 --> 00:13:43,391 and you're just gonna give up everything. 224 00:13:46,739 --> 00:13:48,672 I had a lot of people tell me 225 00:13:48,706 --> 00:13:50,225 that you're attacking God. 226 00:13:50,259 --> 00:13:54,402 That you're, you're trying to... You hate God. 227 00:13:54,436 --> 00:13:57,128 You are... You are out to... 228 00:13:57,163 --> 00:13:59,199 Out to take people away from God. 229 00:13:59,234 --> 00:14:02,306 And, and, you know... And I... And I wasn't. 230 00:14:03,721 --> 00:14:05,205 That was difficult. 231 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Because when you grow up believing that 232 00:14:07,794 --> 00:14:10,141 this is the only way to hold Christianity, 233 00:14:10,176 --> 00:14:12,627 you lose creationism, and suddenly you're like, 234 00:14:12,661 --> 00:14:16,907 "Wait, do I still keep... Am I still a Christian here? What do I do?" 235 00:14:16,941 --> 00:14:19,254 This is a picture of me and Ken Ham. 236 00:14:19,288 --> 00:14:21,877 I was probably about 16 at the time. 237 00:14:21,912 --> 00:14:25,018 And I said, "Hey, Mom and Dad. I'm going to earn some money 238 00:14:25,053 --> 00:14:28,194 "and I'm going to one be of the Lifetime Charter Members there, 239 00:14:28,228 --> 00:14:30,196 "because this is something that's important to me." 240 00:14:31,266 --> 00:14:33,751 And then, uh, they sent me a polo as well. 241 00:14:33,786 --> 00:14:36,444 It's a nice Creation Museum polo. 242 00:14:36,478 --> 00:14:37,755 It still fits. 243 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:40,724 And, so I was really thrilled about this as well. 244 00:14:40,758 --> 00:14:43,830 I wore this to Creation Museum when I was taking some of my friends there, 245 00:14:43,865 --> 00:14:45,694 and everyone thought that I worked there, 246 00:14:45,729 --> 00:14:48,835 and I was flattered, of course, about that. 247 00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:50,975 And, uh, I still have... 248 00:14:51,010 --> 00:14:54,220 Let's see. I still have my, um... 249 00:14:55,601 --> 00:14:57,775 My Creation Museum membership card. 250 00:14:57,810 --> 00:14:59,294 Here's that. 251 00:14:59,328 --> 00:15:01,538 It's got a nice dinosaur eye there. 252 00:15:01,572 --> 00:15:03,885 Um, and it says, "Prepare to believe." 253 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:05,162 And there's my name. 254 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:07,854 And this entitles me to free admission 255 00:15:07,889 --> 00:15:09,615 with four guests, 256 00:15:09,649 --> 00:15:12,687 and free planetarium passes. 257 00:15:12,721 --> 00:15:13,964 So... 258 00:15:14,482 --> 00:15:16,173 [INTERVIEWER SPEAKING] 259 00:15:16,207 --> 00:15:17,139 I don't know. 260 00:15:28,910 --> 00:15:32,879 There are a lot of gaps in just the average lay person's understanding of science, 261 00:15:32,914 --> 00:15:34,985 and so, Creationism comes in and fills those gaps 262 00:15:35,019 --> 00:15:37,781 with things that aren't quite right. 263 00:15:37,815 --> 00:15:41,094 They're just wrong enough to make it sound good. 264 00:15:41,129 --> 00:15:43,614 And that's why as a Creationist, 265 00:15:43,649 --> 00:15:47,618 I thought that I knew way more science than the average person, 266 00:15:47,653 --> 00:15:51,484 because I had so much more information. 267 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:53,762 I had all of these gaps filled in. 268 00:15:53,797 --> 00:15:55,868 I just had 'em filled in with the wrong ideas. 269 00:15:55,902 --> 00:15:57,904 So I wanted to just share it 270 00:15:57,939 --> 00:15:59,734 if there are people who are interested 271 00:15:59,768 --> 00:16:01,632 in how Creationism is based 272 00:16:01,667 --> 00:16:03,703 and why people believe these things. 273 00:16:03,738 --> 00:16:06,188 I wanted to be able to share my experiences. 274 00:16:06,223 --> 00:16:08,087 And that's something that people have been very receptive to. 275 00:16:11,124 --> 00:16:12,747 I've had a lot of readers, 276 00:16:12,781 --> 00:16:16,302 and I also send it to the science editor ofHuffington Post. 277 00:16:16,336 --> 00:16:18,442 And then it got picked up as well 278 00:16:18,477 --> 00:16:20,133 byLexington Herald Leader. 279 00:16:22,653 --> 00:16:26,139 The approach from most Creationists has been very, very hostile. 280 00:16:27,555 --> 00:16:28,832 "Stop being angry at God. 281 00:16:28,866 --> 00:16:30,350 "Stop being offended at God. 282 00:16:30,385 --> 00:16:31,904 "God's waiting for you." Stuff like that. 283 00:16:31,938 --> 00:16:34,423 And that's... that's... that's... 284 00:16:34,458 --> 00:16:36,425 Well, frustrating, because I'm a Christian. 285 00:16:36,460 --> 00:16:39,739 I'm not... I haven't... I haven't left anything. 286 00:16:39,774 --> 00:16:41,638 [STUTTERING] It's... 287 00:16:41,672 --> 00:16:43,191 And that's just this assumption that 288 00:16:43,225 --> 00:16:46,884 it comes from evolution and deep time, and all these things. 289 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:49,784 They come from this philosophy of atheism. 290 00:16:49,818 --> 00:16:51,717 That that's where they're based. 291 00:16:51,751 --> 00:16:53,512 And that's just not true. 292 00:16:56,722 --> 00:17:00,277 DAN PHELPS: And it's 25 after, so we should probably be heading on. 293 00:17:02,969 --> 00:17:04,212 All right, well... 294 00:17:05,178 --> 00:17:07,629 We're gonna turn right out of here 295 00:17:07,664 --> 00:17:09,389 and then get on this road. 296 00:17:09,424 --> 00:17:10,425 The white hallway. 297 00:17:22,541 --> 00:17:23,576 Here in Kentucky, 298 00:17:23,611 --> 00:17:26,130 we have lots of hilly topography. 299 00:17:26,165 --> 00:17:28,961 When the highways are built, they go through the rock, 300 00:17:28,995 --> 00:17:30,652 and leave these outcrops behind. 301 00:17:30,687 --> 00:17:33,793 Which are always wonderful for geologists and paleontologists. 302 00:17:33,828 --> 00:17:36,762 I mean, it's one of the great things about the masonal area 303 00:17:36,796 --> 00:17:39,212 is the collecting is just so easy. 304 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,182 Side of the road, um... 305 00:17:44,010 --> 00:17:45,978 It's a little bit gray area 306 00:17:46,012 --> 00:17:47,427 whether we're allowed to collect. 307 00:17:47,462 --> 00:17:50,465 But I've had state troopers help me collect before, so... 308 00:17:50,499 --> 00:17:52,778 Usually, if you're not drunk, or anything like that, 309 00:17:52,812 --> 00:17:54,296 they won't kick you off the outcrops. 310 00:17:54,331 --> 00:17:56,367 Or at most, they'll ask you to leave. 311 00:17:56,402 --> 00:17:58,922 People honk at you and sometimes throw beer cans. 312 00:17:58,956 --> 00:18:00,233 [CHUCKLES] 313 00:18:02,995 --> 00:18:04,824 Well, I think I got this for Christmas 314 00:18:04,859 --> 00:18:08,379 in probably 1967, or 1968. 315 00:18:08,414 --> 00:18:11,659 And when I was in high school, in the late 1970s, 316 00:18:13,246 --> 00:18:16,318 we had a little bit evolutionally talked about genetics. 317 00:18:16,353 --> 00:18:18,597 But the chapter on evolution, the book was so cool, 318 00:18:18,631 --> 00:18:20,978 and I had all these fossils I was gonna bring in to class 319 00:18:21,013 --> 00:18:22,670 to show the teacher. 320 00:18:22,704 --> 00:18:24,119 We ran out of time. 321 00:18:24,154 --> 00:18:25,604 And we just didn't have that. 322 00:18:25,638 --> 00:18:27,053 Darn! We just ran out of time. 323 00:18:27,088 --> 00:18:29,953 We had plenty of time to talk about the coach's track victories, 324 00:18:29,987 --> 00:18:31,506 or the track team. 325 00:18:31,540 --> 00:18:34,336 But we didn't have time to talk about evolution in biology class. 326 00:18:36,822 --> 00:18:40,653 And by the time I was in my second semester of college, 327 00:18:40,688 --> 00:18:42,413 it was a big deal here. 328 00:18:42,448 --> 00:18:45,934 The local community wanted Creationism taught in schools. 329 00:18:45,969 --> 00:18:48,799 And the schoolboard was divided to two, 330 00:18:48,834 --> 00:18:51,319 with one undecided member. 331 00:18:51,353 --> 00:18:53,079 And I got involved in this quite early. 332 00:18:53,114 --> 00:18:55,047 I was writing letters to the editor pretty much 333 00:18:55,081 --> 00:18:58,291 at the end of high school and college that summer. 334 00:18:59,672 --> 00:19:03,503 This is one time I really wish the James Bondjetpack 335 00:19:03,538 --> 00:19:04,953 had been perfected. 336 00:19:04,988 --> 00:19:06,610 [LAUGHS] 337 00:19:06,645 --> 00:19:08,992 It seems like always the very nice place to collect 338 00:19:09,026 --> 00:19:13,582 is something like this where you have to climb over all this stuff, 339 00:19:14,618 --> 00:19:16,068 and your feet will ache tomorrow morning, 340 00:19:16,102 --> 00:19:17,621 from stepping on all these rocks. 341 00:19:19,416 --> 00:19:22,350 Pretty neat bottom feature. I'm not sure what it is. 342 00:19:26,734 --> 00:19:28,011 I don't know what causes that. 343 00:19:28,045 --> 00:19:30,082 It's interesting. 344 00:19:30,116 --> 00:19:32,809 I was thinking at first it might be a trace fossil of some sort, 345 00:19:32,843 --> 00:19:34,086 and it could be. 346 00:19:37,814 --> 00:19:39,505 But sometimes you just don't know. 347 00:19:41,438 --> 00:19:43,371 That's the strength of science, though. 348 00:19:43,405 --> 00:19:44,924 We don't say that we know it, 349 00:19:44,959 --> 00:19:46,685 and then refuse to change our answer. 350 00:19:48,203 --> 00:19:50,585 In science, it's all right to say, "I don't know. 351 00:19:51,275 --> 00:19:53,139 "Might never know. 352 00:19:53,174 --> 00:19:55,107 "Might think you know and might be wrong." 353 00:19:55,141 --> 00:19:58,179 But you can change your mind based on the evidence, 354 00:19:58,213 --> 00:20:01,216 not because of some sort of religious dogma. 355 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,980 There's videos of Ken Ham on the Internet 356 00:20:06,014 --> 00:20:07,222 talking to groups of school kids. 357 00:20:07,257 --> 00:20:08,534 He'll say things like, 358 00:20:08,568 --> 00:20:11,019 "When a scientist says a certain rock is such and such 359 00:20:11,054 --> 00:20:13,021 "millions of years old, what do you say?" 360 00:20:13,056 --> 00:20:15,230 And he'll tell them to say, "Were you there?" 361 00:20:15,265 --> 00:20:16,715 As if you had to be there 362 00:20:16,749 --> 00:20:19,510 in order to make an interpretation of the geological past. 363 00:20:21,547 --> 00:20:23,100 And you don't have to be there. 364 00:20:23,135 --> 00:20:25,827 You can observe evidence in the present 365 00:20:25,862 --> 00:20:28,071 and see things and figure out 366 00:20:28,105 --> 00:20:29,693 just like forensic science, 367 00:20:29,728 --> 00:20:31,246 what happened in the past. 368 00:20:34,111 --> 00:20:36,286 There's just so many different crazy things 369 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,564 that would have to be changed about the world 370 00:20:38,598 --> 00:20:41,498 if we did things the way the Creationists are doing geology. 371 00:20:43,465 --> 00:20:45,744 That's my rant, I guess, for right now. 372 00:20:45,778 --> 00:20:47,124 [CHUCKLES] 373 00:20:50,818 --> 00:20:51,784 MAN: You ready? 374 00:20:51,819 --> 00:20:53,061 KIDS: Yeah! 375 00:20:53,096 --> 00:20:54,545 Okay. 376 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:57,169 [SPEAKING] 377 00:21:03,831 --> 00:21:04,935 Sixth day. 378 00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:07,696 [SPEAKING] 379 00:21:38,866 --> 00:21:40,764 [CLOCK TICKING] 380 00:21:45,907 --> 00:21:47,391 [THUNDER RUMBLING] 381 00:21:53,881 --> 00:21:55,089 [PEOPLE SCREAM] 382 00:21:55,123 --> 00:21:56,849 [INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 383 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:23,876 I'm Mark Looy, and welcome to another milestone 384 00:22:23,911 --> 00:22:26,948 in the construction of this life size Noah's Ark 385 00:22:27,915 --> 00:22:29,226 behind me. 386 00:22:29,261 --> 00:22:32,367 It's going to be an impressive structure when it opens, 387 00:22:32,402 --> 00:22:36,061 Lord willing, summer of next year. 388 00:22:36,095 --> 00:22:38,822 Let me introduce Ken Ham, our president. 389 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:40,306 He is the visionary 390 00:22:40,341 --> 00:22:43,792 behind the Ark Encounter, and he'll say a few words here 391 00:22:43,827 --> 00:22:45,794 and then we'll lead you on a tour of the Ark. 392 00:22:45,829 --> 00:22:46,726 Ken. 393 00:22:49,281 --> 00:22:53,216 Okay. Thank you, Mark. And good morning and thank you for coming. 394 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:57,565 The ark itself is going to be built up on that platform that you see. 395 00:22:57,599 --> 00:22:59,463 Now, that concrete platform, 396 00:22:59,498 --> 00:23:01,534 that pre-cast concrete that you see there 397 00:23:01,569 --> 00:23:04,261 won't be visible when it's open. 398 00:23:04,296 --> 00:23:06,125 The whole point of this park 399 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,301 is to teach people that these biblical events 400 00:23:09,335 --> 00:23:11,786 were real history, in real time, 401 00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:13,270 that actually happened. 402 00:23:13,305 --> 00:23:16,101 So that's really what this is all about. 403 00:23:16,135 --> 00:23:17,861 That there really was a flood. 404 00:23:17,896 --> 00:23:19,311 It's not a bathtub ark, 405 00:23:19,345 --> 00:23:22,176 he created a real ark, for a real flood, 406 00:23:22,210 --> 00:23:23,867 that probably destroyed 407 00:23:23,902 --> 00:23:26,697 upwards of 10 billion people on the Earth. 408 00:23:26,732 --> 00:23:30,011 We've got an ark that was created to save eight people 409 00:23:30,046 --> 00:23:33,946 and the rest of the population was literally obliterated, 410 00:23:33,981 --> 00:23:36,431 because God was really unhappy with what He did. 411 00:23:36,466 --> 00:23:37,916 That's what the Biblesays. 412 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:39,883 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING] 413 00:23:48,409 --> 00:23:50,963 I'm gonna say, come January, 414 00:23:50,998 --> 00:23:52,516 we, the design team 415 00:23:52,551 --> 00:23:54,277 can actually get inside there 416 00:23:54,311 --> 00:23:56,900 and start installing exhibits. 417 00:23:56,935 --> 00:23:58,833 So that's really gonna be the next thing. 418 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:11,294 [SPEAKING] 419 00:24:14,331 --> 00:24:15,643 Even more watered down? 420 00:24:15,677 --> 00:24:16,816 [CHUCKLING] 421 00:24:16,851 --> 00:24:19,440 You barely... You just barely want to adjust it. 422 00:24:19,474 --> 00:24:22,615 So you almost want it just to be water with a little bit of yellow in it? 423 00:24:22,650 --> 00:24:23,996 That's a good way to put it. 424 00:24:24,031 --> 00:24:25,342 Okay. 425 00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:28,311 DOUG HENDERSON: Since the last time we talked, 426 00:24:28,345 --> 00:24:30,451 we were working on Allosaur at that point. 427 00:24:30,485 --> 00:24:32,694 And a totally different team 428 00:24:32,729 --> 00:24:35,318 was working on designing the ark. 429 00:24:35,352 --> 00:24:36,940 And I actually at that point, 430 00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:38,907 I didn't think I was going to get to work on the ark, 431 00:24:38,942 --> 00:24:41,393 because we had a special team for that. 432 00:24:41,427 --> 00:24:42,981 And at some point, um, 433 00:24:43,015 --> 00:24:45,466 I was switched over to full time on the ark. 434 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,987 And... Which is awesome. It's a dream job. 435 00:24:55,165 --> 00:24:59,204 Almost everything that you're seeing is going into the ark 436 00:24:59,238 --> 00:25:01,620 to represent animals that were on the ark 437 00:25:01,654 --> 00:25:02,897 to be saved from the flood. 438 00:25:02,931 --> 00:25:04,726 A lot of people falsely think that 439 00:25:04,761 --> 00:25:08,558 Noah had to take two of every species of animal, 440 00:25:08,592 --> 00:25:09,973 of which there's millions and millions. 441 00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:12,286 You know, people make jokes about that. 442 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,564 [SPEAKING] 443 00:25:14,598 --> 00:25:17,118 But no, no, no. It would have been far fewer numbers, 444 00:25:17,153 --> 00:25:18,395 in just a few thousands, 445 00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:21,847 because just like, um, you know, you've got dogs, 446 00:25:21,881 --> 00:25:24,367 you don't need all the varieties of dogs, 447 00:25:24,401 --> 00:25:25,644 you just need two dogs 448 00:25:25,678 --> 00:25:28,164 and then breed out everything else. 449 00:25:28,198 --> 00:25:30,545 So the same thing is true with all of the animals. 450 00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:33,962 So that's why theBible specifically says "kinds". 451 00:25:36,965 --> 00:25:38,588 [MACHINE WHIRRING] 452 00:25:41,418 --> 00:25:43,075 What... What are you cutting right now? 453 00:25:44,697 --> 00:25:46,009 [SPEAKING] 454 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:47,252 It's some scientific name. 455 00:25:47,286 --> 00:25:51,290 It's a really weird looking, almost turtle looking thing. 456 00:25:51,325 --> 00:25:53,292 Got a tiny head and a really big body. 457 00:25:53,327 --> 00:25:54,845 But it's not related to a turtle. 458 00:25:58,746 --> 00:26:02,267 So these are all printed on our 3D printer. 459 00:26:02,301 --> 00:26:04,545 And then, all these people... 460 00:26:04,579 --> 00:26:08,445 This is gonna be obviously Tower of Babel display. 461 00:26:13,450 --> 00:26:14,451 Panic? No. 462 00:26:14,486 --> 00:26:17,696 Occasionally I will lay awake 463 00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:19,284 thinking of, you know, what's next, 464 00:26:19,318 --> 00:26:22,528 and how strategically how are we gonna get all this done. 465 00:26:22,563 --> 00:26:26,360 We got out first furred pair of animals done. 466 00:26:26,394 --> 00:26:29,673 This is a saber-toothed marsupial. 467 00:26:29,708 --> 00:26:34,747 And then, here's one that's all curled up and sleeping. 468 00:26:38,268 --> 00:26:41,168 I feel like this is what I've been preparing for all my life. 469 00:26:42,790 --> 00:26:44,240 And so I feel like that. 470 00:26:44,274 --> 00:26:47,070 That sort of hits me like a wave every once in a while, 471 00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:48,899 just purpose. 472 00:26:50,832 --> 00:26:55,320 Everybody who works for Answers in Genesis is a Creationist. 473 00:26:55,354 --> 00:26:57,701 I actually have been a Creationist 474 00:26:57,736 --> 00:26:59,324 as long as I've been alive basically. 475 00:26:59,358 --> 00:27:01,567 But I actually went through 476 00:27:01,602 --> 00:27:04,881 a period where I kind of was questioning that. 477 00:27:07,021 --> 00:27:09,989 I thought, well, they seem to have some good points 478 00:27:10,024 --> 00:27:12,682 about how the Earth can probably be really, really old. 479 00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:16,306 And I was like, maybe the Earth is millions of years old. 480 00:27:16,341 --> 00:27:17,894 It doesn't matter, really. 481 00:27:19,999 --> 00:27:23,210 And then... And then when I met Ken, 482 00:27:23,244 --> 00:27:26,937 and he just said the Earth can't really be millions of years old, 483 00:27:26,972 --> 00:27:29,630 if death and suffering came in when Adam and Eve sinned. 484 00:27:29,664 --> 00:27:32,840 Because you couldn't have millions of years of death and suffering 485 00:27:32,874 --> 00:27:35,256 before sin, if that's the case. So... 486 00:27:37,016 --> 00:27:41,469 It wasn't that I came back from not believing in six-day creation, 487 00:27:41,504 --> 00:27:43,230 but at the same time, 488 00:27:43,264 --> 00:27:46,716 I realized it was more important than I had even thought it was originally. 489 00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:50,582 This is actually a grandfather of the giraffes. 490 00:27:50,616 --> 00:27:53,792 And then, this is a classic stegosaurus. 491 00:27:54,586 --> 00:27:56,415 This one's reclining. 492 00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:58,521 [MAN SPEAKING] 493 00:27:58,555 --> 00:28:00,385 Yes. Very important. 494 00:28:00,419 --> 00:28:03,560 On the ark, we're assuming that... 495 00:28:03,595 --> 00:28:05,044 We're assuming, 'cause it doesn't say, 496 00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,668 but it would make sense for him to take younger animals, 497 00:28:07,702 --> 00:28:09,877 because they would eat less, 498 00:28:09,911 --> 00:28:12,914 and they would have a chance to live longer after the flood. 499 00:28:12,949 --> 00:28:15,020 So it just made sense they were going to be younger. 500 00:28:15,054 --> 00:28:17,056 Plus, they take up so much less space. 501 00:28:17,091 --> 00:28:18,955 You know, you think of dinosaurs, you think, "Oh, my goodness. 502 00:28:18,989 --> 00:28:20,715 "He'd never be able to get those on the ark." 503 00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:24,823 Well, the eggs of dinosaurs are only this big. 504 00:28:24,857 --> 00:28:28,689 T-Rex when it was born was only that big. 505 00:28:28,723 --> 00:28:32,934 So, you can have a juvenile, no problem. 506 00:28:32,969 --> 00:28:36,352 So, yeah, stegs got big. These things got really big. 507 00:28:36,386 --> 00:28:37,594 Not as big as T-Rex. 508 00:28:37,629 --> 00:28:40,252 That's what the guys are working on in there. 509 00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:42,427 I think a lot of people when they look at these, 510 00:28:42,461 --> 00:28:44,325 will assume that they are raptors, 511 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,327 because they are so similar in size. 512 00:28:46,362 --> 00:28:50,435 But even though T-Rex got to be about 40 feet long, 513 00:28:50,469 --> 00:28:52,678 we're representing them as juveniles. 514 00:28:58,132 --> 00:29:00,790 I don't feel like I'm gonna just talk to you 515 00:29:00,824 --> 00:29:03,206 and convert you as you walk out the door. 516 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:10,972 But I want you to see that I'm a normal person. 517 00:29:11,456 --> 00:29:12,491 I am not crazy. 518 00:29:12,526 --> 00:29:16,012 But I do believe in all of this, 519 00:29:16,046 --> 00:29:19,533 and any opportunity I get to talk about it, I'll take it. 520 00:29:19,567 --> 00:29:21,500 Hey, this ape's almost done. 521 00:29:21,535 --> 00:29:22,881 Just a couple little final touches. 522 00:29:22,915 --> 00:29:25,297 I think you've seen that in several stages along the way. 523 00:29:35,376 --> 00:29:38,448 HAM: When you create a park like this, you've gotta do two things. 524 00:29:38,483 --> 00:29:39,553 You gotta entertain people, 525 00:29:39,587 --> 00:29:41,037 you want them to have fun, 526 00:29:41,071 --> 00:29:42,349 but you also want to teach them. 527 00:29:42,383 --> 00:29:45,352 And so, we have a section within the walled city 528 00:29:45,386 --> 00:29:47,699 as I'm calling the entrance area there, 529 00:29:47,733 --> 00:29:49,321 where we will bring people through, 530 00:29:49,356 --> 00:29:52,738 that will literally show them what we think is going on 531 00:29:52,773 --> 00:29:54,222 during that period of time. 532 00:29:54,257 --> 00:29:56,742 And it's a lot like walking through Main Street, Disney, 533 00:29:56,777 --> 00:29:59,124 where you've got food, and you've got entertainment, 534 00:29:59,158 --> 00:30:01,851 and you've got crafts, and you've got, you know, 535 00:30:01,885 --> 00:30:04,957 things, gifts, shopping, all of that kind of stuff. 536 00:30:04,992 --> 00:30:06,683 So, as you walk through that, 537 00:30:06,718 --> 00:30:09,134 plus, you know, with the live entertainment and the shows that we'll do, 538 00:30:09,168 --> 00:30:11,930 we'll give you what our rendition is 539 00:30:11,964 --> 00:30:14,381 of what we think the culture was very much like. 540 00:30:14,415 --> 00:30:17,729 And you know, it's gonna be graphic in a lot of ways, 541 00:30:17,763 --> 00:30:21,042 so you can decide whether you wanna take your children through it or not. 542 00:30:21,077 --> 00:30:23,217 [WOMAN SPEAKING] 543 00:30:23,251 --> 00:30:27,842 Well, let's talk about the society that we have today. 544 00:30:27,877 --> 00:30:31,950 We have crime, we have rampant sex out of marriage, 545 00:30:31,984 --> 00:30:34,332 We have all kinds of deviations 546 00:30:34,366 --> 00:30:37,265 that are going on within our society today. 547 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,371 You know, so much of it has fallen apart. 548 00:30:39,406 --> 00:30:40,890 When I was a kid growing up, 549 00:30:40,924 --> 00:30:43,375 everybody was married, everybody went to church. 550 00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:47,345 You know, and the American society was very different than it is today. 551 00:30:50,417 --> 00:30:53,696 God says, "That's the kind of stuff that I'm gonna judge." 552 00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:55,974 And so, that's basically the kind of thing 553 00:30:56,008 --> 00:30:58,148 I think on a more extreme level 554 00:30:58,183 --> 00:31:00,565 that we'll be showing within the Walled City itself. 555 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:02,739 You've got slavery, you've got bestiality, 556 00:31:02,774 --> 00:31:04,638 you've got all kinds of crazy stuff 557 00:31:04,672 --> 00:31:07,434 that's going on, and-- 558 00:31:07,468 --> 00:31:08,745 [WOMAN SPEAKING] 559 00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:11,161 Uh, you'll just have to wait and see. 560 00:31:12,784 --> 00:31:14,510 Tonight, a biblical based theme park 561 00:31:14,544 --> 00:31:15,856 is creating controversy. 562 00:31:15,890 --> 00:31:17,789 It's about whether the government is too involved 563 00:31:17,823 --> 00:31:18,928 in helping to build it. 564 00:31:18,962 --> 00:31:20,999 Democratic Governor Steve Beshar 565 00:31:21,033 --> 00:31:23,311 said that government is very excited about it, 566 00:31:23,346 --> 00:31:24,174 and explained why. 567 00:31:24,209 --> 00:31:27,488 The numbers alone tell the tale. 568 00:31:27,523 --> 00:31:31,285 This is a $150 million investment 569 00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,599 that is projected to create nearly 900 jobs 570 00:31:34,633 --> 00:31:37,947 including almost 550 full-time jobs. 571 00:31:37,981 --> 00:31:42,883 Folks here in Williamstown say the ark is a once in a lifetime opportunity. 572 00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:55,205 The county went through some hard economic times 573 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,793 several years ago. 574 00:31:56,828 --> 00:31:59,382 But they are hopeful that will change now with the ark. 575 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:05,388 DAN PHELPS: It looks like a very neighborly type place to live and all. 576 00:32:05,423 --> 00:32:09,427 It looks very nice for the most part. Nice small town. 577 00:32:09,461 --> 00:32:10,876 Horrible financial situation, 578 00:32:10,911 --> 00:32:12,982 so you understand why they're so desperate. 579 00:32:15,674 --> 00:32:17,918 I really feel sorry for the town. 580 00:32:23,371 --> 00:32:25,960 REPORTER: President and CEO of Answers in Genesis 581 00:32:25,995 --> 00:32:27,548 and Ark Encounter, Ken Ham, 582 00:32:27,583 --> 00:32:31,207 believes the ark will generate $4 billion in revenue, 583 00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:35,211 and bring 20,000 jobs to the region over the next 10 years. 584 00:32:39,215 --> 00:32:43,875 DAN PHELPS: The locals seem to be completely snowed in by this. 585 00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:48,120 They were pretty much told that the streets will be paved with gold. 586 00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:54,195 The mayor even told the citizens 587 00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:55,921 that their utility rates would go down 588 00:32:55,956 --> 00:32:57,889 because of the ARK Park. 589 00:33:05,137 --> 00:33:07,588 It just seems so flim-flamish 590 00:33:07,623 --> 00:33:12,455 that I can't really envision things turning out like Ken Ham says they're gonna turn out. 591 00:33:14,802 --> 00:33:17,460 One of the first things I did when I started 592 00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:18,875 opposing the ARK Park 593 00:33:18,910 --> 00:33:23,984 is I got a subscription to the Grant County News. 594 00:33:24,018 --> 00:33:28,091 So I was able to get a sort of inside source of information. 595 00:33:28,126 --> 00:33:31,923 And I have lots of stories going all the way back from... 596 00:33:31,957 --> 00:33:34,788 This is 2012. "ARK Park moving slowly." 597 00:33:34,822 --> 00:33:37,515 They'll have guest columns by Ken Ham. 598 00:33:38,999 --> 00:33:40,725 They occasionally have 599 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:42,761 op-eds by various Creationists 600 00:33:42,796 --> 00:33:48,422 including Mark Looy, one of the spokespeople for Answers in Genesis. 601 00:33:48,456 --> 00:33:51,494 This one might be replying to something I wrote. 602 00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:54,359 He didn't mention me by name at all in his reply. 603 00:33:54,393 --> 00:33:56,568 This is when they started some of the construction. 604 00:33:56,603 --> 00:33:58,294 Ark taking shape. 605 00:34:01,573 --> 00:34:03,023 People that visit the ark, 606 00:34:03,057 --> 00:34:04,369 they have to pay sales tax. 607 00:34:04,403 --> 00:34:08,028 And Answers in Genesis, they get back 608 00:34:08,062 --> 00:34:11,618 up to like $1.8 million per year 609 00:34:11,652 --> 00:34:15,138 of the tax money they normally would send to the state coffers. 610 00:34:15,173 --> 00:34:17,175 So, instead of the state getting the money, 611 00:34:17,209 --> 00:34:19,833 Answers in Genesis gets to keep a good portion 612 00:34:19,867 --> 00:34:22,214 of their sales tax. 613 00:34:22,249 --> 00:34:25,459 I got on the Answers in Genesis website, 614 00:34:25,493 --> 00:34:27,875 and I got on there and I looked at the employment thing, 615 00:34:27,910 --> 00:34:30,395 and lo and behold, there was one for a CAD, 616 00:34:30,429 --> 00:34:33,260 a Computer Assisted Design Operator 617 00:34:33,294 --> 00:34:35,158 specifically for the ARK Park. 618 00:34:35,193 --> 00:34:37,264 And basically what I found 619 00:34:37,298 --> 00:34:39,404 was they required the salvation history, 620 00:34:39,438 --> 00:34:42,925 the agreement for the Answers in Genesis Statement of Faith. 621 00:34:42,959 --> 00:34:44,547 All these different things 622 00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:45,824 that even included 623 00:34:45,859 --> 00:34:48,482 what church you went to, and things like that. 624 00:34:50,208 --> 00:34:52,866 I've never seen a job, not even for a janitor 625 00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:54,937 that didn't require the Belief Statement. 626 00:34:56,628 --> 00:35:00,183 If you're getting any sort of public funding, 627 00:35:00,218 --> 00:35:05,223 and all at once you only hire certain people based on their religious beliefs, 628 00:35:05,257 --> 00:35:08,329 that contradicts the idea 629 00:35:08,364 --> 00:35:10,021 that you're actually helping the economy. 630 00:35:10,055 --> 00:35:13,196 You're just helping a specific religious sect. 631 00:35:13,231 --> 00:35:16,268 So I wrote the op-ed where I wrote the Herald Leader 632 00:35:16,303 --> 00:35:20,687 about the discovery that they were discriminating in hiring. 633 00:35:20,721 --> 00:35:22,274 Unfortunately, the Herald Leader said, 634 00:35:22,309 --> 00:35:24,622 "Non-Christians need not apply." 635 00:35:24,656 --> 00:35:28,142 And actually, most Christians are not eligible for jobs at the ARK Park. 636 00:35:28,177 --> 00:35:30,973 It's not just unbelievers, 637 00:35:31,007 --> 00:35:33,320 Jewish people, Muslims, 638 00:35:33,354 --> 00:35:36,254 Mormons, anything like that. 639 00:35:36,288 --> 00:35:38,912 Mainstream Protestants and Catholics 640 00:35:38,946 --> 00:35:41,224 and even old-Earth Creationists 641 00:35:41,259 --> 00:35:43,399 would not be eligible for hiring. 642 00:35:44,814 --> 00:35:47,092 Americans United jumped on it, 643 00:35:47,127 --> 00:35:49,681 and sent a formal letter to Kentucky Tourism 644 00:35:49,716 --> 00:35:51,994 about the tax incentive. 645 00:35:52,028 --> 00:35:55,376 ROB BOSTON: One of the most frustrating things about this whole situation 646 00:35:55,411 --> 00:35:59,933 is that Ken Ham continually tried to play on both sides. 647 00:35:59,967 --> 00:36:03,522 He would argue that, "Oh, the ARK Park is really just a tourist attraction. 648 00:36:03,557 --> 00:36:06,456 "And we're welcoming everybody. It's all right." 649 00:36:06,491 --> 00:36:08,182 HOST: Mr. Ham, do you see this park 650 00:36:08,217 --> 00:36:10,702 as part of a ministry, as essentially a church, 651 00:36:10,737 --> 00:36:12,117 or is it purely business? 652 00:36:12,152 --> 00:36:15,155 Uh, well, actually the ARK Encounter is 653 00:36:15,189 --> 00:36:16,743 a profit organization 654 00:36:16,777 --> 00:36:20,401 that's set up to give a particular view of biblical history-- 655 00:36:20,436 --> 00:36:22,438 ROB BOSTON: But then, he would then tell his supporters 656 00:36:22,472 --> 00:36:24,474 that it was designed to proselytize 657 00:36:24,509 --> 00:36:27,650 and convince people of the truth of the story of Noah's Ark, 658 00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:29,134 and the truth of the Bible, 659 00:36:29,169 --> 00:36:31,481 and persuade them to adopt the religious views 660 00:36:31,516 --> 00:36:33,725 favored by some Fundamentalist Christians. 661 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,002 Think of a Christian facility... 662 00:36:35,037 --> 00:36:36,107 But I believe it. 663 00:36:36,141 --> 00:36:37,315 ...that stands on the word of God, 664 00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:40,594 and 132 Ark bays with exhibits. 665 00:36:40,628 --> 00:36:43,562 And it's gonna really show that we can give answers 666 00:36:43,597 --> 00:36:46,738 and challenge them that they need to put their faith and trust 667 00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:48,291 in the Lord Jesus Christ. 668 00:36:48,326 --> 00:36:49,948 So it's an Evangelistic ark. 669 00:36:49,983 --> 00:36:51,709 We have many, many... 670 00:36:51,743 --> 00:36:55,057 You can't have it both ways. And that's where we really have the problem. 671 00:36:55,091 --> 00:36:57,749 CHRIS CALDWELL: Americans United for Separation of Church and State 672 00:36:57,784 --> 00:36:59,406 contacted me and asked me 673 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,754 if I would be willing to be party to their legal action. 674 00:37:02,789 --> 00:37:04,376 I readily agreed to do so. 675 00:37:04,411 --> 00:37:07,897 Because they thought it was important to represent the fact 676 00:37:07,932 --> 00:37:10,589 that there are religious people, deeply religious people 677 00:37:10,624 --> 00:37:13,489 who are also uncomfortable with those sorts of 678 00:37:13,523 --> 00:37:16,319 government benefits going to a religious purpose. 679 00:37:17,355 --> 00:37:19,184 I think implicit in the idea of 680 00:37:19,219 --> 00:37:21,186 the separation of Church and State 681 00:37:21,221 --> 00:37:23,085 is humility. 682 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,123 That no one religion, no one philosophy 683 00:37:27,158 --> 00:37:29,367 has all the answers. 684 00:37:29,401 --> 00:37:31,714 And they're very confident in what they believe, 685 00:37:31,749 --> 00:37:34,717 and they have strong reservations about me. 686 00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:36,857 I'm confident in what I believe, too. 687 00:37:38,445 --> 00:37:41,966 And I believe if you allow the free flow of ideas, 688 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,315 that a more mature faith is going to do well in that conversation. 689 00:37:46,349 --> 00:37:49,387 And so, I would just encourage more conversation, 690 00:37:49,421 --> 00:37:51,699 and I think that the scripture says 691 00:37:51,734 --> 00:37:54,564 "You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." 692 00:37:56,359 --> 00:37:57,878 DAN PHELPS: And at that point, 693 00:37:57,913 --> 00:38:01,709 December of 2014, 694 00:38:01,744 --> 00:38:06,714 the state basically said, "No, we're not gonna give you this tax incentive." 695 00:38:06,749 --> 00:38:09,821 You don't really realize until a particular religion 696 00:38:09,856 --> 00:38:13,721 manages to take over an entire county and city government 697 00:38:13,756 --> 00:38:16,586 and get them to do everything that they're asked, 698 00:38:16,621 --> 00:38:19,624 how important the separation of church and state is. 699 00:38:19,658 --> 00:38:22,075 Park officials are seeking legal action 700 00:38:22,109 --> 00:38:24,318 after being denied tax incentives. 701 00:38:24,353 --> 00:38:28,046 The Commonwealth says it cannot give tax incentives to a company that quote, 702 00:38:28,081 --> 00:38:32,050 "Intends to discriminate in hiring its employees based on religion." 703 00:38:32,085 --> 00:38:35,053 MALE REPORTER: The Ark's parent organization, Answers in Genesis, 704 00:38:35,088 --> 00:38:36,814 has launched a billboard campaign 705 00:38:36,848 --> 00:38:38,298 to bolster supporters. 706 00:38:38,332 --> 00:38:41,266 Federal lawsuit could soon follow. 707 00:38:41,301 --> 00:38:42,405 DAN PHELPS: Throughout this whole debate, 708 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,511 Ken Ham continued to insist 709 00:38:44,545 --> 00:38:47,307 that he was not receiving any state support. 710 00:38:47,341 --> 00:38:49,343 And he would get mad when we said that he was. 711 00:38:49,378 --> 00:38:52,450 And let me say this for all the media. 712 00:38:53,831 --> 00:38:56,557 Not one cent 713 00:38:56,592 --> 00:38:59,043 has come from taxpayer money. 714 00:38:59,077 --> 00:39:00,527 [CROWD CHEERS] 715 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,462 [OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING] 716 00:40:00,932 --> 00:40:04,556 And he won by a rather large margin actually, 717 00:40:04,591 --> 00:40:07,525 in spite of being five points behind in the polls. 718 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:09,251 ROB BOSTON: Governor Bevin is a Fundamentalist Christian. 719 00:40:09,285 --> 00:40:12,944 You could be an atheist and you would appreciate there's a lot of wisdom 720 00:40:12,979 --> 00:40:14,428 in the Bible. 721 00:40:14,463 --> 00:40:17,431 He has tweeted pictures of himself visiting the ARK park. 722 00:40:20,848 --> 00:40:23,334 The governor came in at just the time 723 00:40:23,368 --> 00:40:25,543 when it would have been decided 724 00:40:25,577 --> 00:40:28,304 what's gonna happen with his ruling. 725 00:40:28,339 --> 00:40:30,582 And the governor had campaigned 726 00:40:30,617 --> 00:40:32,999 in part on the idea that he would support the ARK park. 727 00:40:34,241 --> 00:40:35,933 Basically the judge bought the idea 728 00:40:35,967 --> 00:40:39,453 that the ARK Park was just another tourist attraction, 729 00:40:39,488 --> 00:40:41,800 and that it should get the same benefits 730 00:40:41,835 --> 00:40:44,803 that similarly situated attractions have received in the past. 731 00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:55,159 NEWSREADER: A legal win for a biblical them park in Kentucky. 732 00:40:55,193 --> 00:40:58,645 A federal judge says the state cannot exclude the park 733 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:00,992 from a tax incentive program 734 00:41:01,027 --> 00:41:02,442 worth millions of dollars. 735 00:41:02,476 --> 00:41:03,995 We're thrilled, of course, with the result, 736 00:41:04,030 --> 00:41:07,447 because the judge ruled in Answers in Genesis' favor. 737 00:41:07,481 --> 00:41:09,828 Tickets are now available online 738 00:41:09,863 --> 00:41:11,934 for the Ark Encounter. 739 00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:15,696 DAN PHELPS: I really wish there were more people helping me fight this. 740 00:41:21,392 --> 00:41:25,706 A lot of the people that I know scientifically 741 00:41:25,741 --> 00:41:27,191 just won't get involved with this. 742 00:41:27,225 --> 00:41:28,433 They don't wanna take the time. 743 00:41:28,468 --> 00:41:30,573 They're like, "Well, Dan will do it." 744 00:41:30,608 --> 00:41:34,750 And... You know, maybe if I stop doing some of the stuff I do, 745 00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:37,201 somebody else will step in and do something. 746 00:41:37,235 --> 00:41:39,375 But people don't wanna be unpopular. 747 00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:42,654 They don't wanna say things that'll draw attention to themselves. 748 00:41:42,689 --> 00:41:47,452 I've been the object of several Ken Ham blogpost 749 00:41:47,487 --> 00:41:49,972 specifically aimed at myself. 750 00:41:52,078 --> 00:41:56,737 And maybe people, they don't wanna have to deal with 751 00:41:56,772 --> 00:42:00,189 basically bullshit like that on the side. I'm not really sure. 752 00:42:00,224 --> 00:42:02,191 It's like, um, 753 00:42:02,226 --> 00:42:05,712 grabbing hold of something and it gets sticky all over you. 754 00:42:05,746 --> 00:42:08,508 And if they were to come forward 755 00:42:08,542 --> 00:42:11,649 and say very much against the ARK park, 756 00:42:11,683 --> 00:42:13,478 they would have the people from the ARK park 757 00:42:13,513 --> 00:42:15,446 breathing down their throats all the time. 758 00:42:18,138 --> 00:42:19,553 It's... It's frustrating. 759 00:42:19,588 --> 00:42:21,831 I mean, people ask me why I spend so much time on this, 760 00:42:21,866 --> 00:42:25,111 and this is one of the reasons why. 761 00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:28,252 I mean, nobody else seems I think 762 00:42:28,286 --> 00:42:29,494 to give a damn about it. 763 00:42:29,529 --> 00:42:30,944 I mean, I know they really do, 764 00:42:30,978 --> 00:42:33,533 but they can't really come out and say anything. 765 00:42:49,342 --> 00:42:51,240 [WOMAN SPEAKING] 766 00:42:51,275 --> 00:42:52,586 DAN PHELPS: I'm tempted all the time. 767 00:42:52,621 --> 00:42:54,036 My family is all gone. 768 00:42:55,727 --> 00:42:59,593 Kentuckians have a difficult time leaving the state apparently. 769 00:42:59,628 --> 00:43:01,940 It's one of those places 770 00:43:01,975 --> 00:43:03,666 you always say, "I'm gonna get the hell out of here." 771 00:43:03,701 --> 00:43:06,669 And you do, and then you come back here. 772 00:43:10,017 --> 00:43:11,122 I don't know what it is. 773 00:43:11,157 --> 00:43:13,607 It's sort of a cultural thing almost. 774 00:43:21,028 --> 00:43:23,445 What would Ken Ham do without me? 775 00:43:23,479 --> 00:43:25,516 He would miss me, wouldn't he? I mean... 776 00:43:48,194 --> 00:43:51,128 JAMIE BAKER: The ark puts us on the map, so to speak. 777 00:43:51,162 --> 00:43:53,130 One of my favorite headlines I ever wrote 778 00:43:53,164 --> 00:43:56,650 when I was at the paper was "Ark brings flood of possibilities." 779 00:43:58,618 --> 00:44:00,033 I couldn't help it. 780 00:44:02,415 --> 00:44:04,002 I can remember as a little girl 781 00:44:04,037 --> 00:44:06,902 coming into downtown and skating in the skating rink. 782 00:44:06,936 --> 00:44:10,147 And the downtown area was always bustling on Saturdays. 783 00:44:10,181 --> 00:44:13,564 And then we went through the downturn economic times 784 00:44:13,598 --> 00:44:17,464 when you could almost see the tumbleweeds blow through downtown. 785 00:44:17,499 --> 00:44:19,880 And now we're excited because... 786 00:44:19,915 --> 00:44:22,228 we got business coming back 787 00:44:22,262 --> 00:44:24,954 It's awesome to see young people getting excited 788 00:44:24,989 --> 00:44:27,612 about the potential for our community again. 789 00:44:27,647 --> 00:44:29,476 Okay, so this is Elmer's General Store. 790 00:44:29,511 --> 00:44:31,927 We've got hand dipped ice cream, 791 00:44:31,961 --> 00:44:34,378 homemade fried pies and other desserts. 792 00:44:34,412 --> 00:44:36,725 So we do the old time malts, milkshakes. 793 00:44:36,759 --> 00:44:38,347 There's sodas and all that stuff. 794 00:44:38,382 --> 00:44:41,488 Like I said, we have the vendors and we're looking for more. 795 00:44:41,523 --> 00:44:44,560 But we have experience of work in Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge. 796 00:44:44,595 --> 00:44:47,322 So we know what a tourist attraction can do 797 00:44:47,356 --> 00:44:49,151 for a community. So we're excited. 798 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:52,189 When you're getting calls from places like China 799 00:44:52,223 --> 00:44:53,983 and Wisconsin and Missouri, 800 00:44:54,018 --> 00:44:56,917 people wanna know, "Where can I stay, and what can I do?" 801 00:44:56,952 --> 00:44:58,609 We've never had that in the past. 802 00:44:58,643 --> 00:45:00,197 So you capitalize on that. 803 00:45:02,268 --> 00:45:06,168 MCKAMEY: I say we serve about 50 at the moment. 804 00:45:06,203 --> 00:45:08,619 You know, it just depends on days, of course. 805 00:45:08,653 --> 00:45:10,241 We have ups and downs. 806 00:45:10,276 --> 00:45:13,244 But, when we have music shows, we bring anywhere from 50 to 150. 807 00:45:13,279 --> 00:45:16,143 So we're doing fine, you know. 808 00:45:16,178 --> 00:45:17,110 We can make it barely. 809 00:45:17,144 --> 00:45:20,976 But the ark really will help our tourism 810 00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:23,323 and will help the people come in through the doors. 811 00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:29,260 You know, this time next year, this town is not gonna look like this. 812 00:45:36,129 --> 00:45:38,752 I know they're already planning on having shuttle buses 813 00:45:38,787 --> 00:45:41,168 come and drop tourists off in Williamstown. 814 00:45:41,203 --> 00:45:43,481 So hopefully, you know, they'll get an ice cream, 815 00:45:43,516 --> 00:45:45,414 or listen to a song or two here. 816 00:45:45,449 --> 00:45:47,347 It will really help us. 817 00:45:47,382 --> 00:45:48,831 [BANJO TUNING] 818 00:45:49,832 --> 00:45:52,249 So, Jimmy wrote this song about the ark. 819 00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:54,354 And he's lived here, um... 820 00:45:54,389 --> 00:45:57,288 Jimmy you've lived here, what about 30 years or so? 821 00:45:57,323 --> 00:45:59,532 -JIMMY: Twenty. -Twenty? 822 00:45:59,566 --> 00:46:02,224 He's lived here longer than I've been alive, so... [CHUCKLES] 823 00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:07,022 [SPEAKING] 824 00:46:09,266 --> 00:46:10,612 -You guys ready? -Yeah. 825 00:46:10,646 --> 00:46:12,061 [PLAYING COUNTRY MUSIC] 826 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,660 ♪ I went up to the edge of the light 827 00:46:24,695 --> 00:46:27,525 ♪ And looked into the dark 828 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,838 ♪ Yonder in the field somewhere 829 00:46:29,872 --> 00:46:32,875 ♪ I declare I saw the ark 830 00:46:32,910 --> 00:46:35,050 ♪ A businessman stood next to me 831 00:46:35,084 --> 00:46:37,639 ♪ He'd come to bless this county 832 00:46:37,673 --> 00:46:39,917 ♪ So come in two by two 833 00:46:39,951 --> 00:46:42,333 ♪ 'Cause the ark is in Kentucky 834 00:46:42,368 --> 00:46:43,679 [SPEAKING] 835 00:46:44,473 --> 00:46:46,544 ♪ Pretty people moving 836 00:46:46,579 --> 00:46:49,375 ♪ No, this ain't no trick 837 00:46:49,409 --> 00:46:51,825 ♪ The arc was relocated 838 00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:56,140 ♪ On Highway 36 839 00:46:56,174 --> 00:46:59,385 ♪ Exit 154 840 00:46:59,419 --> 00:47:03,078 ♪ On Highway 36 841 00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:17,264 [PEOPLE CLAPPING] 842 00:47:22,511 --> 00:47:26,135 DAVID MACMILLAN: I haven't been to the Creation Museum in years and years. 843 00:47:27,033 --> 00:47:28,448 I grew up in Central Kentucky, 844 00:47:28,483 --> 00:47:34,316 and I, of course, had a lifetime pass to the Creation Museum. 845 00:47:34,351 --> 00:47:39,563 Here I am getting a picture with my name on the wall of Lifetime Charter Members. 846 00:47:39,597 --> 00:47:42,220 Very proud that I was on the wall there. 847 00:47:42,255 --> 00:47:45,292 I think I may have subtly dropped that from time to time 848 00:47:45,327 --> 00:47:48,710 when I was talking to a girl from a Christian family. 849 00:47:48,744 --> 00:47:51,022 You know, "I'm on the wall of the Creation Museum." 850 00:47:51,057 --> 00:47:53,093 It was... It was a big deal. 851 00:47:53,128 --> 00:47:54,750 This is, uh... I was street preaching 852 00:47:54,785 --> 00:47:57,995 in Huntington Beach in California. 853 00:47:58,029 --> 00:47:59,237 Did some street preaching. 854 00:47:59,272 --> 00:48:03,207 I've got some money shaped gospel tracks there, 855 00:48:03,241 --> 00:48:07,211 and I'm explaining the effects of sin on the world, 856 00:48:07,245 --> 00:48:09,178 and the importance of the Genesis, 857 00:48:09,213 --> 00:48:10,939 and the importance of the ten commandments, 858 00:48:10,973 --> 00:48:15,392 and everything that goes along with that. 859 00:48:15,426 --> 00:48:19,361 I don't know. There might be a degree to which I think back to where I was, 860 00:48:19,396 --> 00:48:22,191 and think what would have changed my mind. 861 00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:30,199 I... Some of the stuff is new, so I don't know my way around at this point anymore. 862 00:48:30,234 --> 00:48:32,719 Hey, where are the Charter Member plaques? 863 00:48:32,754 --> 00:48:34,894 Are they further on, or... 864 00:48:35,791 --> 00:48:37,379 It should be right down here. 865 00:48:37,414 --> 00:48:38,518 Right down here? Okay. 866 00:48:38,553 --> 00:48:39,968 I was certain that I knew everything. 867 00:48:40,002 --> 00:48:42,695 I was really, really, really prideful 868 00:48:42,729 --> 00:48:44,455 in my knowledge of Creationism, 869 00:48:44,490 --> 00:48:46,699 and how I knew more than the scientific community, 870 00:48:46,733 --> 00:48:48,632 and I knew more than all of these people 871 00:48:48,666 --> 00:48:49,805 who were just accepting evolution 872 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,220 without asking questions. 873 00:48:51,255 --> 00:48:54,431 I regret that I was a big know-it-all. 874 00:48:58,296 --> 00:49:00,575 Ah, it's a... This is a different person. 875 00:49:00,609 --> 00:49:03,094 This is... This is someone else. 876 00:49:03,129 --> 00:49:06,408 This is someone who's lived a long time ago. 877 00:49:06,443 --> 00:49:07,858 Many years ago. 878 00:49:10,205 --> 00:49:13,208 And I don't know... I don't think he'd recognize me. 879 00:49:15,382 --> 00:49:16,867 It feels kind of strange. 880 00:49:26,324 --> 00:49:27,912 MAN: This is the king. 881 00:49:27,947 --> 00:49:30,397 The king of the pre-flood world. 882 00:49:30,432 --> 00:49:33,711 Yeah, I'm pretty sure he talks in a King Julien voice. 883 00:49:33,746 --> 00:49:36,956 [IMITATING KING JULIEN] "Whereith, you crazy fool?" [LAUGHS] 884 00:49:39,579 --> 00:49:41,892 "Welcome to my party." 885 00:49:41,926 --> 00:49:43,583 [CHUCKLING] 886 00:49:43,618 --> 00:49:46,724 Everybody will be rooting for the water to take him out at that point. 887 00:49:46,759 --> 00:49:48,105 [LAUGHTER] 888 00:49:48,139 --> 00:49:51,108 TRAVIS: He has no name. We call him "the King". 889 00:49:51,936 --> 00:49:56,976 So, he's gonna have this golden, 890 00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:59,254 uh, helmet going on here. 891 00:49:59,288 --> 00:50:01,774 Yeah, he's just having a good time. 892 00:50:01,808 --> 00:50:03,569 [CHUCKLES SOFTLY] 893 00:50:03,603 --> 00:50:08,021 It's a very... Very fun diorama to work on. 894 00:50:10,576 --> 00:50:12,267 A lot of dynamism. 895 00:50:14,441 --> 00:50:18,549 And all these figures we started with 896 00:50:18,584 --> 00:50:22,484 a 3D scan of actual people. 897 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,142 And then, from there, we take it into the computer, 898 00:50:25,176 --> 00:50:27,938 and we do a lot of re-sculpting, 899 00:50:28,663 --> 00:50:30,837 uh, tweaking, changing, 900 00:50:30,872 --> 00:50:33,012 reposing in some cases, but... 901 00:50:33,978 --> 00:50:35,601 But it's really fun stuff. 902 00:50:35,635 --> 00:50:38,051 This is the kind of thing that 903 00:50:39,328 --> 00:50:41,641 you dream of doing as a kid, you know. 904 00:50:42,608 --> 00:50:44,264 And I get to do it as a grown-up. 905 00:50:45,852 --> 00:50:47,716 We're working out really the face of Noah. 906 00:50:47,751 --> 00:50:49,580 He's the iconic character. 907 00:50:49,615 --> 00:50:52,514 So he's probably the most important character that we have. 908 00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:54,999 And of course we got Ham, Shem, and Japheth. 909 00:50:55,034 --> 00:50:56,760 And then all of their wives. 910 00:50:56,794 --> 00:50:58,762 Noah has to be a very iconic figure, 911 00:50:58,796 --> 00:51:03,387 because we're not only gonna use him in pictures like this, this illustration. 912 00:51:03,421 --> 00:51:06,908 We're gonna use him in static figures and animatronic figures. 913 00:51:06,942 --> 00:51:11,015 And also, we will recreate him in film as well. 914 00:51:11,050 --> 00:51:14,156 You know, according to the Bible,he was, um... 915 00:51:14,191 --> 00:51:15,675 -Hey, pal, was it... -500 years. 916 00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:17,194 -Five-six hundred? -Yeah. 917 00:51:17,228 --> 00:51:19,955 He's probably equivalent of a 50-year-old. 918 00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:21,370 About equivalent, yeah, 919 00:51:21,405 --> 00:51:23,269 in the looks about a 50-year-old. 920 00:51:23,303 --> 00:51:27,722 PATRICK MARSH: A 50-year-old person who's in really good shape. 921 00:51:27,756 --> 00:51:32,140 Come on, on the other side. I'll show you what a couple of the other designers are doing. 922 00:51:32,174 --> 00:51:34,763 These are some of the different face concepts 923 00:51:34,798 --> 00:51:36,834 for the wives of the sons. 924 00:51:36,869 --> 00:51:41,252 So I'm just kind of pulling some different features from people from all over the world, 925 00:51:41,287 --> 00:51:43,979 so that they show that it's a compilation 926 00:51:44,014 --> 00:51:46,050 of different characteristics. 927 00:51:46,085 --> 00:51:47,949 So we get to kind of invent things. 928 00:51:47,983 --> 00:51:49,364 We don't know what they looked like. 929 00:51:49,398 --> 00:51:52,056 We get from the Bible that the Ham's descendants 930 00:51:52,091 --> 00:51:54,127 went to the Americas 931 00:51:54,162 --> 00:51:56,509 through Asia, Africa. 932 00:51:56,543 --> 00:51:58,442 And so, we kind of have 933 00:51:58,476 --> 00:52:02,619 a bit of a challenge to kind of put all those kinds of features into 934 00:52:02,653 --> 00:52:05,449 the faces of Ham's wife and Ham. 935 00:52:05,483 --> 00:52:07,900 TAYLOR: Here, you know, you have Ham's wife. 936 00:52:07,934 --> 00:52:11,213 We, we do research. 937 00:52:12,456 --> 00:52:14,907 We have some physical features here. 938 00:52:14,941 --> 00:52:18,117 PATRICK MARSH: And so, based upon the characteristics that we find, 939 00:52:18,151 --> 00:52:21,120 some gave you Asian, some gave you, you know, 940 00:52:21,154 --> 00:52:23,156 a darker, more Middle-Eastern features. 941 00:52:23,191 --> 00:52:25,987 Some maybe gave you a more African features, etc. 942 00:52:26,021 --> 00:52:27,402 'Cause you basically... 943 00:52:27,436 --> 00:52:32,303 Everything literally comes out of these three couples. 944 00:52:32,338 --> 00:52:35,065 [SPEAKING] 945 00:52:35,099 --> 00:52:38,551 PATRICK MARSH: You know, middle brown color with brown eyes and brown hair. 946 00:52:38,585 --> 00:52:41,796 Some as a little darker, some of the people. 947 00:52:41,830 --> 00:52:44,695 Or a little bit darker, some a little bit lighter. 948 00:52:45,765 --> 00:52:47,249 TAYLOR: And here's what? 949 00:52:47,664 --> 00:52:48,941 [SPEAKING] 950 00:52:48,975 --> 00:52:51,702 TAYLOR: Light skin tone, eye color. 951 00:52:52,565 --> 00:52:54,429 Stuff like that. Um... 952 00:53:13,379 --> 00:53:16,244 This is Japheth's wife, and this scene 953 00:53:16,278 --> 00:53:19,040 that we're doing is deck three, 954 00:53:19,074 --> 00:53:22,388 she's holding a paintbrush and a cup. 955 00:53:26,012 --> 00:53:27,427 In this torso, 956 00:53:27,462 --> 00:53:29,222 we'll actually change the hand out 957 00:53:29,257 --> 00:53:31,224 but the arms will stay in the same position. 958 00:53:31,259 --> 00:53:34,020 And we will use this for 959 00:53:34,055 --> 00:53:37,955 deck two, where she's holding a broom, sweeping the floor. 960 00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:40,786 So we try to reuse as many parts as possible. 961 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,422 JIM HELTON: We're gonna do a peaceful demonstration. 962 00:53:56,456 --> 00:53:58,286 They have the right to build their park. 963 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,150 But we also have the right to protest it 964 00:54:00,184 --> 00:54:04,326 that this story is not scientifically accurate. 965 00:54:04,361 --> 00:54:07,571 And not only is it not scientifically accurate, it's immoral. 966 00:54:08,952 --> 00:54:13,784 The original idea was to put up a regular billboard for 30 days. 967 00:54:13,819 --> 00:54:16,166 And if we raised enough money, we'd put up a couple. 968 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,789 This was just the shot that let people know we had... 969 00:54:18,824 --> 00:54:20,411 If you gave us $500, 970 00:54:20,446 --> 00:54:21,827 you can actually take a photo of yourself, 971 00:54:21,861 --> 00:54:24,450 we want you all wet, whatever pose, take several poses, 972 00:54:24,484 --> 00:54:27,418 and we will actually put you in the billboard drowning in the ocean. 973 00:54:28,281 --> 00:54:30,076 So it got us a lot of press. 974 00:54:30,111 --> 00:54:32,423 We raised almost $10,000 in a couple of days. 975 00:54:32,458 --> 00:54:36,911 The problem was the billboard company backed out when it got all this press. 976 00:54:36,945 --> 00:54:40,707 We didn't expect radio, TV, papers would pick it up. 977 00:54:40,742 --> 00:54:44,953 NEWSREADER: Atheist group's anti-Ark Encounter billboard is rejected. 978 00:54:44,988 --> 00:54:49,164 Two billboard companies have refused to display an advertisement 979 00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:53,513 by an atheist group to protest the Ark Encounter Amusement Park 980 00:54:53,548 --> 00:54:54,860 in Kentucky. 981 00:54:54,894 --> 00:54:57,621 Tri-state free thinker, the president Jim Helton, 982 00:54:57,655 --> 00:54:59,726 welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. 983 00:54:59,761 --> 00:55:01,245 Thanks for having me on. 984 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,076 CUNNINGHAM: Now, why do you say genocide and incest 985 00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:07,182 somehow is part of the ark? 986 00:55:07,217 --> 00:55:08,839 I don't know how else to describe it. 987 00:55:08,874 --> 00:55:10,254 In the story of Noah's Ark, 988 00:55:10,289 --> 00:55:11,808 God drowned everybody. 989 00:55:11,842 --> 00:55:14,293 Now some Christians will say that people were wicked. 990 00:55:14,327 --> 00:55:15,708 But he drowned everybody. 991 00:55:15,742 --> 00:55:18,469 Even the innocent women, children, bunny rabbits, everybody. 992 00:55:18,504 --> 00:55:20,368 That is textbook genocide. 993 00:55:20,402 --> 00:55:21,748 I see no other way to describe it. 994 00:55:21,783 --> 00:55:24,303 And then he re-populates the Earth through incest, 995 00:55:24,337 --> 00:55:25,580 for the second time. 996 00:55:25,614 --> 00:55:28,410 CUNNINGHAM: What do you mean incest? 997 00:55:28,445 --> 00:55:30,102 If you only have one family, 998 00:55:30,136 --> 00:55:31,310 the only way to re-populate 999 00:55:31,344 --> 00:55:32,725 is having sex within that family. 1000 00:55:32,759 --> 00:55:34,209 CUNNINGHAM: They could have had some other family 1001 00:55:34,244 --> 00:55:35,590 on the top of the mountain somewhere. 1002 00:55:35,624 --> 00:55:37,972 Noah's family and his kids. That was it. 1003 00:55:38,006 --> 00:55:40,491 And keep in mind, Adam and Eve was through incest, too, 1004 00:55:40,526 --> 00:55:42,010 to populate Earth for the first time. 1005 00:55:42,045 --> 00:55:43,840 So this is the second story of incest. 1006 00:55:43,874 --> 00:55:47,188 And if you go to Ken Ham's Creation museum, 1007 00:55:47,222 --> 00:55:50,536 he says incest is okay, because God said so. 1008 00:55:50,570 --> 00:55:52,572 CUNNINGHAM: Well, if God says it's okay, it's okay. 1009 00:55:52,607 --> 00:55:55,886 No! Killing people and incest is not okay. 1010 00:55:55,921 --> 00:55:57,474 CUNNINGHAM: Well, what are you gonna do about this? 1011 00:55:57,508 --> 00:56:00,270 You have two companies Event Advertising and Lamar, 1012 00:56:00,304 --> 00:56:02,341 that said, "Nah, bubba, nah." What do you do now? 1013 00:56:02,375 --> 00:56:04,861 A mobile billboard campaign reached out to us, 1014 00:56:04,895 --> 00:56:06,276 and said, "We'll put it up." 1015 00:56:06,310 --> 00:56:08,416 But, man, recently with all the press it's gotten, 1016 00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:11,005 he backed out for fear of his personal safety. 1017 00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:12,799 He did not feel safe driving it around. 1018 00:56:12,834 --> 00:56:14,284 So we have $10,000, 1019 00:56:14,318 --> 00:56:17,287 and we cannot find a company in the State of Kentucky or Cincinnati 1020 00:56:17,321 --> 00:56:18,702 willing to take our money. 1021 00:56:18,736 --> 00:56:21,256 CUNNINGHAM: Have you confronted Ken Ham on this? 1022 00:56:21,291 --> 00:56:22,775 Uh, Ken Ham has... 1023 00:56:22,809 --> 00:56:24,708 We have had a back and forth through Twitter. 1024 00:56:24,742 --> 00:56:25,985 He has personally called me out 1025 00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:28,539 half a dozen times on Twitter this morning alone. 1026 00:56:28,574 --> 00:56:31,059 He has blogged about us several times. 1027 00:56:31,094 --> 00:56:33,303 So the reason why we called this out is 1028 00:56:33,337 --> 00:56:35,063 it doesn't stop here. 1029 00:56:35,098 --> 00:56:36,927 It seeps into our politics. 1030 00:56:36,962 --> 00:56:38,653 It seeps into our law making. 1031 00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:40,655 And that's why we made the stand. 1032 00:56:40,689 --> 00:56:43,106 CUNNINGHAM: Well, you're a heathen that's gonna burn in Hell, 1033 00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:44,245 and if that's the case, 1034 00:56:44,279 --> 00:56:45,832 I will say a prayer to get you out. 1035 00:56:45,867 --> 00:56:48,283 If you're lucky, you'll end up in purgatory, 1036 00:56:48,318 --> 00:56:49,595 in which case, I can help you. 1037 00:56:49,629 --> 00:56:52,218 If you're in Hell, you're beyond my reach. 1038 00:56:52,253 --> 00:56:53,944 Then I'll be in good company. 1039 00:56:53,979 --> 00:56:56,429 CUNNINGHAM: There'll be a lot of other Hell characters will be down there 1040 00:56:56,464 --> 00:56:58,224 and you'll be burning, 1041 00:56:58,259 --> 00:57:01,400 and there'll be a million serpents biting your legs for eternity. 1042 00:57:01,434 --> 00:57:03,920 See, you're threatening me with torture 1043 00:57:03,954 --> 00:57:06,267 which proves my claim that that's immoral. 1044 00:57:06,301 --> 00:57:08,407 Just because I require facts and evidence 1045 00:57:08,441 --> 00:57:10,616 should not be a reason to torture me forever. 1046 00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:12,480 CUNNINGHAM: Well, you're gonna burn in Hell. 1047 00:57:12,514 --> 00:57:13,860 I'm okay with that. 1048 00:57:13,895 --> 00:57:16,380 CUNNINGHAM: All right. What's your website, if any? 1049 00:57:16,415 --> 00:57:18,900 Uh, tristatefreethinkers.com. 1050 00:57:18,935 --> 00:57:20,971 CUNNINGHAM: Well, look. Stay in touch. 1051 00:57:21,006 --> 00:57:21,972 All right, I will. 1052 00:57:22,007 --> 00:57:23,180 CUNNINGHAM: God Bless America. 1053 00:57:23,215 --> 00:57:24,664 [CHUCKLES] 1054 00:57:27,046 --> 00:57:28,530 How'd I do? 1055 00:57:31,292 --> 00:57:33,294 I'd like to go protest 1056 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,261 a protest. 1057 00:57:35,296 --> 00:57:37,539 On July 7th, a group of atheists 1058 00:57:37,574 --> 00:57:43,683 are planning on protesting the opening of Ken Ham's Ark Encounter attraction. 1059 00:57:43,718 --> 00:57:46,238 Ken Ham was getting ready to be done with the ark, 1060 00:57:46,272 --> 00:57:47,722 and he texted me as said, 1061 00:57:47,756 --> 00:57:50,380 "Hey, I just learned some atheists are gonna be protesting 1062 00:57:50,414 --> 00:57:52,037 "the opening of the Ark Encounter." 1063 00:57:52,071 --> 00:57:55,385 I texted him back and said, "Man, I would love to be there for that. 1064 00:57:55,419 --> 00:57:57,421 "I would have a great time." 1065 00:57:57,456 --> 00:57:59,320 So, here's the deal. 1066 00:57:59,354 --> 00:58:01,529 I would love for you to help me get a team of people 1067 00:58:01,563 --> 00:58:04,221 that I've assembled to the Ark Encounter, 1068 00:58:04,256 --> 00:58:07,397 so that we can protest the protest. 1069 00:58:07,431 --> 00:58:09,295 At the end of the day, what's fun about it is 1070 00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:13,472 these are people that right now, if my world view is true, 1071 00:58:13,506 --> 00:58:15,405 they're on their way to Hell. 1072 00:58:16,233 --> 00:58:18,132 I get the privilege, I get the joy... 1073 00:58:18,166 --> 00:58:20,203 I would say more than fun, it's joy 1074 00:58:20,237 --> 00:58:22,412 of trying to go into these storms 1075 00:58:22,964 --> 00:58:24,207 and rescue people, 1076 00:58:24,241 --> 00:58:25,829 and say, "Listen, you need the truth." 1077 00:58:25,863 --> 00:58:29,453 By the way, don't tell the atheists that we're coming. 1078 00:58:29,488 --> 00:58:31,248 My name is Eric Hovind. 1079 00:58:31,283 --> 00:58:34,941 I get the privilege of traveling around and talking about creation vs. evolution... 1080 00:58:34,976 --> 00:58:39,049 We're seeing a resurgence of the Creation movement. 1081 00:58:39,084 --> 00:58:44,261 People realizing science doesn't fit the evolution worldview. 1082 00:58:44,296 --> 00:58:45,918 Let's go back and rethink this. 1083 00:58:45,952 --> 00:58:48,817 And so, we're seeing the Creation movement as a whole raise back up. 1084 00:58:48,852 --> 00:58:50,440 Let me just tell you something. 1085 00:58:50,474 --> 00:58:53,201 Scientifically it is impossible 1086 00:58:53,236 --> 00:58:55,134 to maintain a tiny human population 1087 00:58:55,169 --> 00:58:56,722 for millions of years. 1088 00:58:56,756 --> 00:58:58,310 And they say we've been here, humans have been here 1089 00:58:58,344 --> 00:59:00,208 around two million years. 1090 00:59:00,243 --> 00:59:03,177 The evolution worldview says that somewhere between 13 and 20 billion years ago, 1091 00:59:03,211 --> 00:59:04,764 there was a big bang. 1092 00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:07,974 The idea that the universe came into existence instantaneously 1093 00:59:08,009 --> 00:59:12,945 is exactly what we get out of Genesis 11. 1094 00:59:12,979 --> 00:59:15,292 So the Bibletells us stuff, it's our authority, 1095 00:59:15,327 --> 00:59:16,811 and science is gonna confirm that. 1096 00:59:16,845 --> 00:59:18,364 So I'd like to try to prove to you... 1097 00:59:18,399 --> 00:59:21,229 So you have this idea of lot of people believed evolution. 1098 00:59:21,264 --> 00:59:22,782 Some people use that as an argument. 1099 00:59:22,817 --> 00:59:24,232 Well, evolution must be true. 1100 00:59:24,267 --> 00:59:27,235 The majority doesn't determine right and wrong, you know. 1101 00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:30,100 Jean-Luc Picard can tell you a lot about the starship Enterprise. 1102 00:59:30,135 --> 00:59:32,033 That doesn't make it true. 1103 00:59:32,068 --> 00:59:34,553 I know people that can teach me a lot about evolution 1104 00:59:34,587 --> 00:59:37,211 and it doesn't make it true. 1105 00:59:37,245 --> 00:59:40,662 The longest wavelength we see is red. 1106 00:59:40,697 --> 00:59:44,010 Well, if God stretched out the heavens as a curtain, 1107 00:59:44,045 --> 00:59:48,360 we would expect to see the longer of the wavelengths of light, 1108 00:59:48,394 --> 00:59:50,500 which is the red, of the light. 1109 00:59:50,534 --> 00:59:51,984 And everywhere we look, 1110 00:59:52,018 --> 00:59:53,296 guess what we're seeing? 1111 00:59:53,330 --> 00:59:55,712 The red shift in starlight. 1112 00:59:55,746 --> 00:59:57,748 The fact that our vice-president 1113 00:59:57,783 --> 01:00:00,234 is somebody who believes in Creation. 1114 01:00:00,268 --> 01:00:02,719 Um, I think that leads 1115 01:00:02,753 --> 01:00:04,479 just even more credibility 1116 01:00:04,514 --> 01:00:06,999 to the number of people out there that go, 1117 01:00:07,033 --> 01:00:09,001 "I don't believe this because I'm ignorant." 1118 01:00:09,035 --> 01:00:11,831 "I've thought this through. I've looked at the information. 1119 01:00:11,866 --> 01:00:15,145 "I've concluded... this is the truth." 1120 01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:20,081 It's a... Yeah, I'm excited that we've got lots elected officials 1121 01:00:20,116 --> 01:00:21,496 that hold to this worldview. 1122 01:00:21,531 --> 01:00:23,015 MAN: Do you believe in evolution, sir? 1123 01:00:23,981 --> 01:00:26,708 Um... Do I believe in evolution? 1124 01:00:27,330 --> 01:00:30,056 I embrace the, uh... 1125 01:00:30,091 --> 01:00:32,887 The view that God created the heavens and the Earth 1126 01:00:32,921 --> 01:00:34,544 and the seas and all that's in them. 1127 01:00:34,578 --> 01:00:35,959 Right, when you believe in evolution-- 1128 01:00:35,993 --> 01:00:38,134 What means... The means, Chris, 1129 01:00:38,168 --> 01:00:41,206 that He used to do that, uh, 1130 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,448 I can't say. 1131 01:00:42,483 --> 01:00:43,518 But you don't believe that... 1132 01:00:43,553 --> 01:00:45,417 You don't take a Fundamentalist view 1133 01:00:45,451 --> 01:00:47,557 of the seven days of creation, do you? 1134 01:00:48,385 --> 01:00:50,249 -[LAUGHS] Chris... -I'm just asking. 1135 01:00:50,284 --> 01:00:51,664 -Do you? -Chris... 1136 01:00:51,699 --> 01:00:53,045 Where are we going with this? 1137 01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:55,323 CHRIS CALDWELL: The idea that if... 1138 01:00:55,358 --> 01:00:57,014 If even one part of theBible 1139 01:00:57,049 --> 01:01:00,259 is not true, that the whole thing crumbles, 1140 01:01:00,294 --> 01:01:04,056 is a very difficult piece of terrain to defend. 1141 01:01:04,090 --> 01:01:06,472 It seems obvious to me 1142 01:01:06,507 --> 01:01:09,786 that science at multiple levels 1143 01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:14,170 clearly has proven the Earth is more than 6,000 years old. 1144 01:01:14,204 --> 01:01:16,827 And why some folks, 1145 01:01:16,862 --> 01:01:19,623 um, in the name of their religion, I assume, 1146 01:01:19,658 --> 01:01:21,073 choose to ignore that 1147 01:01:21,107 --> 01:01:26,251 and to cling to a religious viewpoint 1148 01:01:26,285 --> 01:01:27,873 that says otherwise 1149 01:01:27,907 --> 01:01:31,048 is not something I fully understand. 1150 01:01:31,083 --> 01:01:33,534 I never heard anyone say 1151 01:01:33,568 --> 01:01:37,538 that Genesis can be inspired, can be from God 1152 01:01:37,572 --> 01:01:39,264 and not be history. 1153 01:01:39,298 --> 01:01:42,922 That God can give us something that's something other than history. 1154 01:01:42,957 --> 01:01:46,202 That was just not an idea that was ever presented to me. 1155 01:01:46,236 --> 01:01:49,239 CHRIS CALDWELL: I believe the Bible is true in what it says inGenesis. 1156 01:01:49,274 --> 01:01:52,449 Principally communicating the idea that God created this world. 1157 01:01:52,484 --> 01:01:54,037 And I believe this. 1158 01:01:54,071 --> 01:01:57,592 I believe that God has a purpose and a will for this creation. 1159 01:01:57,627 --> 01:01:59,042 That having been said, 1160 01:01:59,076 --> 01:02:02,839 science informs how I understand what that creation is. 1161 01:02:02,873 --> 01:02:04,289 How this planet functions. 1162 01:02:04,323 --> 01:02:08,120 And there have been hundreds and thousands of years of project, 1163 01:02:08,154 --> 01:02:11,019 uh, progress in human thought since that time 1164 01:02:11,054 --> 01:02:14,126 that help us to better understand the world that God has made. 1165 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,234 And I welcome that aid and understanding of God's work. 1166 01:02:18,268 --> 01:02:20,374 It's like there's a little voice in your head 1167 01:02:20,408 --> 01:02:24,032 that closes the door whenever you see evidence that doesn't fit your beliefs, 1168 01:02:24,067 --> 01:02:26,759 and then opens it whenever you see evidence that you can make fit. 1169 01:02:26,794 --> 01:02:28,830 And that's something that, you know, 1170 01:02:28,865 --> 01:02:30,556 every Creationist have, 1171 01:02:30,591 --> 01:02:31,661 a little guy in their head saying, 1172 01:02:31,695 --> 01:02:33,594 "Wait. No, stop. Don't look at that." 1173 01:02:33,628 --> 01:02:35,043 And, "Wait, we can accept this." 1174 01:02:37,149 --> 01:02:40,566 I was also debating anyone who would pay attention to me 1175 01:02:40,601 --> 01:02:42,050 whenever I got the chance. 1176 01:02:42,085 --> 01:02:46,089 You know, online I would find some poor scientist 1177 01:02:46,123 --> 01:02:48,712 and be like, "All right, let me tell you." 1178 01:02:48,747 --> 01:02:50,576 And so, I would debate everybody I could, 1179 01:02:50,611 --> 01:02:53,821 and they would come back with really clear, obvious answers to what I was saying. 1180 01:02:53,855 --> 01:02:58,274 And I was saying, "Hold on. Let me go consult my Answers in Genesis Material. 1181 01:02:58,308 --> 01:03:00,931 "Oh, there's the answer." And then I would come back with that. 1182 01:03:00,966 --> 01:03:02,726 Um, you know, 'cause they have answers. 1183 01:03:02,761 --> 01:03:04,797 They have a lot of answers. That's what they're called, Answers in Genesis. 1184 01:03:08,836 --> 01:03:10,216 BRYAN OSBORNE: We have all these different DVDs. 1185 01:03:10,251 --> 01:03:12,805 And if you stop to read all the different titles, 1186 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,463 I mean, it's on so many different subjects. 1187 01:03:15,498 --> 01:03:17,085 Anywhere from biblical authority, 1188 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,502 to how is Genesis relevant in our culture today, 1189 01:03:19,536 --> 01:03:21,297 to what about geology, 1190 01:03:21,331 --> 01:03:22,505 and what about the ape man, 1191 01:03:22,539 --> 01:03:23,644 how do you explain dinosaurs? 1192 01:03:23,678 --> 01:03:24,886 So forth and so on. 1193 01:03:24,921 --> 01:03:27,026 So it's literally just the whole gamut 1194 01:03:27,061 --> 01:03:30,685 related to science fields and biblical authority issues. 1195 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,204 A lot of people love dinosaurs, 1196 01:03:32,238 --> 01:03:33,378 and kids love dinosaurs. 1197 01:03:33,412 --> 01:03:35,380 This is one of our most popular books. 1198 01:03:35,414 --> 01:03:37,105 Dinosaurs of Eden 1199 01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:38,590 from Ken Ham. 1200 01:03:38,624 --> 01:03:41,455 And so, it looks like this. 1201 01:03:41,489 --> 01:03:43,940 Walkthrough with really good artwork. 1202 01:03:43,974 --> 01:03:48,358 And this has got some up to date scientific information in it 1203 01:03:48,393 --> 01:03:51,568 to help the kids understand all about dinosaurs and things. 1204 01:03:51,603 --> 01:03:55,986 Yeah, there are surely tens of thousands of families around the country 1205 01:03:56,021 --> 01:03:58,506 using our different resources. 1206 01:03:58,541 --> 01:04:03,304 Knowing that it's going out and influencing people is... 1207 01:04:03,339 --> 01:04:05,168 It brings me great joy. 1208 01:04:19,044 --> 01:04:22,910 KEVIN ANDERSON: This event is called the International Conference of Creationism. 1209 01:04:22,944 --> 01:04:24,946 We believe the authority of the Bible. 1210 01:04:24,981 --> 01:04:28,225 We believe that the biblical account in Genesis 1211 01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:32,333 is historically and scientifically accurate. 1212 01:04:33,334 --> 01:04:35,232 We present various papers. 1213 01:04:35,267 --> 01:04:36,889 It's only creation that's presented. 1214 01:04:36,924 --> 01:04:39,651 It's only creation that is promoted, 1215 01:04:39,685 --> 01:04:41,998 as opposed to other scientific organizations 1216 01:04:42,032 --> 01:04:43,379 would really promote only evolution. 1217 01:04:43,413 --> 01:04:46,589 Well, this is the Creationist version of that. 1218 01:04:46,623 --> 01:04:49,281 The rise had to take over a period of time. 1219 01:04:49,315 --> 01:04:51,421 DAN PHELPS: The audience is being snowed. 1220 01:04:51,456 --> 01:04:55,494 I mean, it looks like science, and unfortunately it isn't. 1221 01:04:55,529 --> 01:04:58,186 It's a parody almost of science. 1222 01:04:58,221 --> 01:05:01,673 Answers in Genesis puts these things on their website 1223 01:05:01,707 --> 01:05:04,814 they claim are scientific papers. 1224 01:05:04,848 --> 01:05:07,955 They can range from very densely written things 1225 01:05:07,989 --> 01:05:10,440 to things that invoke miracles, 1226 01:05:10,475 --> 01:05:13,892 and all sorts of other stuff. 1227 01:05:13,926 --> 01:05:16,135 And they are people with degrees. 1228 01:05:16,170 --> 01:05:19,518 But a degree basically means that you're capable of doing science. 1229 01:05:19,553 --> 01:05:22,694 It doesn't mean that you're a scientist. 1230 01:05:22,728 --> 01:05:26,145 You basically have to agree that the Earth's 6,000 years old, 1231 01:05:26,180 --> 01:05:27,837 that Noah's flood was a real event. 1232 01:05:27,871 --> 01:05:30,805 All these different things before you can even publish a thing 1233 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,221 in their supposedly scientific journal. 1234 01:05:33,256 --> 01:05:36,570 So your conclusions are foreordained. 1235 01:05:36,604 --> 01:05:40,884 Pretty much kills the scientific method before it even starts. 1236 01:05:40,919 --> 01:05:43,300 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING] 1237 01:06:31,107 --> 01:06:35,249 If we can start handing pamphlets out by hand. 1238 01:06:35,283 --> 01:06:37,458 [MUSIC CONTINUES] 1239 01:07:08,662 --> 01:07:10,284 [MUSIC CONTINUES] 1240 01:07:18,326 --> 01:07:19,983 [SPEAKING] 1241 01:07:21,606 --> 01:07:22,468 Awesome. 1242 01:07:23,539 --> 01:07:25,126 That would be perfect. 1243 01:07:25,161 --> 01:07:26,369 [LAUGHS] 1244 01:07:28,509 --> 01:07:30,476 [MUSIC CONTINUES] 1245 01:07:53,085 --> 01:07:55,467 DAVID MACMILLAN: You know, driving by this when I was growing up, 1246 01:07:55,501 --> 01:07:58,125 it was always, "Okay, all those layers came from Noah's flood. 1247 01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:00,679 "All those layers are about the same age." 1248 01:08:00,714 --> 01:08:03,130 But actually getting out and taking a closer look, 1249 01:08:03,164 --> 01:08:06,340 it's not quite so easy to think that. 1250 01:08:06,374 --> 01:08:09,205 You see stuff that's really fine grained. 1251 01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:10,620 DAVID MACMILLAN: Oh, wow. 1252 01:08:10,655 --> 01:08:11,966 See the laminations there? 1253 01:08:12,001 --> 01:08:13,174 Yeah, you can barely even see that. 1254 01:08:13,209 --> 01:08:14,624 It's like it's painted on. 1255 01:08:14,659 --> 01:08:16,971 So it means they were probably deposited really slowly. 1256 01:08:17,006 --> 01:08:18,766 There might have been a another storm 1257 01:08:18,801 --> 01:08:20,526 -and layer after layer just... -Gotcha. 1258 01:08:20,561 --> 01:08:23,426 It's so inconsistent with anything the Creationists are claiming 1259 01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:25,946 -about the nature of the rock. -Yeah. 1260 01:08:26,809 --> 01:08:29,156 So this piece is actually... 1261 01:08:29,190 --> 01:08:31,917 DAVID MACMILLAN: I know that there were definitely 1262 01:08:31,952 --> 01:08:35,541 a lot of concerns about me when I first started writing this stuff. 1263 01:08:37,267 --> 01:08:40,719 It surprised a lot of people, alarmed a lot of people. 1264 01:08:40,754 --> 01:08:43,619 DAN PHELPS: Well, he probably... A lot of his family 1265 01:08:43,653 --> 01:08:48,209 was invested in supporting the Creation Museum. 1266 01:08:48,244 --> 01:08:51,696 And sometimes a turn against what your family believes 1267 01:08:51,730 --> 01:08:53,836 can be heart-rending. 1268 01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:56,321 It's... I'm running the risk of really, 1269 01:08:56,355 --> 01:08:59,151 you know, really upsetting people I care about. 1270 01:09:00,705 --> 01:09:03,535 I kind of feel like, "Oh, if I can just explain 1271 01:09:03,569 --> 01:09:06,055 "why and how and all this stuff." 1272 01:09:06,089 --> 01:09:07,953 But explaining doesn't always work. 1273 01:09:07,988 --> 01:09:12,233 DAN PHELPS: It takes guts to go after something you've been raised with. 1274 01:09:13,718 --> 01:09:15,202 It's... It's been difficult. 1275 01:09:18,723 --> 01:09:21,518 A lot of people have asked, you know, when I've been talking about this, 1276 01:09:21,553 --> 01:09:23,589 was there a time that I kind of 1277 01:09:23,624 --> 01:09:27,110 switched from I was believing one thing and the then I wasn't. 1278 01:09:28,318 --> 01:09:31,701 It was definitely a lot of successive steps. 1279 01:09:31,736 --> 01:09:34,324 It's a lot of small, you know, gradual things. 1280 01:09:35,325 --> 01:09:37,362 Learning, "Oh, I was wrong about this. 1281 01:09:37,396 --> 01:09:39,571 "That's not quite how it works." 1282 01:09:41,953 --> 01:09:43,989 And there was one day that I was at work, 1283 01:09:44,024 --> 01:09:47,372 and on my lunchbreak, reading about astronomy stuff, 1284 01:09:47,406 --> 01:09:50,237 and galaxies, and reading about discoveries. 1285 01:09:52,342 --> 01:09:55,414 I saw an image of a galaxy 1286 01:09:55,449 --> 01:09:59,073 that was running into the center of a galaxy cluster. 1287 01:10:01,386 --> 01:10:03,871 There was a trail of hot gas 1288 01:10:03,906 --> 01:10:06,322 coming out from behind this galaxy. 1289 01:10:08,013 --> 01:10:10,429 Two-three hundred thousand light years. 1290 01:10:13,363 --> 01:10:16,263 Basically footprints in the sky, 1291 01:10:16,297 --> 01:10:19,473 with paths that go way, way, way farther 1292 01:10:19,507 --> 01:10:22,165 than anything could move in 6,000 years. 1293 01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:28,585 And just seeing that 1294 01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:31,968 and saying, "Wait, if something can traverse 1295 01:10:32,003 --> 01:10:34,453 "you know, 200,000 light years of space, 1296 01:10:34,488 --> 01:10:36,904 "that they can't be 6,000 years old. 1297 01:10:36,939 --> 01:10:38,423 "It just can't work." 1298 01:10:41,288 --> 01:10:42,945 I realized at that point that yeah, 1299 01:10:42,979 --> 01:10:44,670 I don't believe this anymore. 1300 01:10:44,705 --> 01:10:46,327 I can't believe this anymore. 1301 01:10:48,916 --> 01:10:53,645 And so, I was able to look at the universe and hear what it was saying. 1302 01:10:57,822 --> 01:10:59,789 This is a new world. 1303 01:10:59,824 --> 01:11:03,137 It's a different... It's a different world than I thought it was. 1304 01:11:04,035 --> 01:11:06,278 [SUBLIME MUSIC PLAYING] 1305 01:12:17,177 --> 01:12:19,593 Make sure that I have this up here. 1306 01:12:19,627 --> 01:12:21,215 All right. 1307 01:12:21,250 --> 01:12:22,872 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS] 1308 01:12:22,907 --> 01:12:25,426 JEN SCOTT: You know, we saw busloads of kids going in there. 1309 01:12:25,461 --> 01:12:28,222 And knowing that children are being lied to 1310 01:12:28,257 --> 01:12:30,397 and science is being misrepresented 1311 01:12:30,431 --> 01:12:32,986 is just... It's a horrible feeling to see that. 1312 01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:35,298 -Morning. -Morning. 1313 01:12:35,333 --> 01:12:37,645 I just wanted to touch base before it gets a little... 1314 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,303 -Yeah, before it hits the fan. -...a little busy. Yeah. 1315 01:12:40,338 --> 01:12:43,134 What's this I'm hearing about anti-protester? 1316 01:12:43,168 --> 01:12:45,619 Yes. Eric Hovind, I believe is his name. 1317 01:12:45,653 --> 01:12:48,277 He's coming up from Florida. He's... 1318 01:12:48,311 --> 01:12:50,727 Ken Ham, I guess, texted him and said, 1319 01:12:50,762 --> 01:12:53,523 "They're protesting. You should come up here and counter-protest." 1320 01:12:53,558 --> 01:12:55,284 JIM HELTON: So we just want to make you aware. 1321 01:12:55,318 --> 01:12:56,906 If there's an issue, we'll just let you know. 1322 01:12:56,941 --> 01:12:58,218 -Cool. -Okay. 1323 01:12:58,252 --> 01:13:00,392 -So about 150 people? -Yeah. 1324 01:13:00,427 --> 01:13:02,153 All right. Just try to keep everybody safe, okay? 1325 01:13:02,187 --> 01:13:03,499 -We will. -Yeah. Absolutely. 1326 01:13:03,533 --> 01:13:05,397 As long as nothing's confrontational, we're good. 1327 01:13:05,432 --> 01:13:07,503 As long as you guys are, you know, doing your thing. 1328 01:13:07,537 --> 01:13:09,643 -Have a good one, guys. -All right. Thank you. 1329 01:13:10,161 --> 01:13:13,233 [SPEAKING] 1330 01:13:20,757 --> 01:13:22,311 So he made each kind. 1331 01:13:22,345 --> 01:13:24,347 And each kind of land animal 1332 01:13:24,382 --> 01:13:25,935 was represented on Noah's ark. 1333 01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:28,110 So what we today call dinosaurs 1334 01:13:28,144 --> 01:13:29,559 were represented on the ark. 1335 01:13:29,594 --> 01:13:31,665 See, people haven't been given these answers. 1336 01:13:31,699 --> 01:13:33,391 They haven't been taught genetics correctly. 1337 01:13:33,425 --> 01:13:36,532 They haven't been taught about speciation and natural selection correctly. 1338 01:13:36,566 --> 01:13:38,465 We're gonna correct that in here, 1339 01:13:38,499 --> 01:13:41,951 and undo the brainwashing that's occurred through this. 1340 01:13:41,986 --> 01:13:43,642 [CROWD CHEERS, CLAPS] 1341 01:13:45,817 --> 01:13:48,993 And I encourage you, when you come to Answers in Genesis, 1342 01:13:49,027 --> 01:13:51,857 talk to our PhD scientists. 1343 01:13:51,892 --> 01:13:54,550 You won't understand what they're saying, but talk to them. 1344 01:13:54,584 --> 01:13:55,861 [LAUGHTER] 1345 01:13:57,311 --> 01:13:58,692 What's really going on here. 1346 01:13:58,726 --> 01:14:01,867 So, we're excited about what God is doing 1347 01:14:01,902 --> 01:14:04,318 and how the truth will be presented today. 1348 01:14:04,353 --> 01:14:05,837 It's gonna be fantastic. 1349 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,633 [SPEAKING] 1350 01:14:11,291 --> 01:14:12,257 Okay. 1351 01:14:12,292 --> 01:14:15,605 [SPEAKING] 1352 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,091 HOVIND: This is gonna be fantastic. 1353 01:14:18,125 --> 01:14:22,785 We are gonna correct you guys on some of the misstatements that you guys are making. 1354 01:14:22,819 --> 01:14:24,787 I'll give you time to get set up and everything. 1355 01:14:24,821 --> 01:14:27,652 As long as we're all in agreement, we'll be fine. 1356 01:14:27,686 --> 01:14:29,688 Long as you guys agree with me, we'll be good. 1357 01:14:29,723 --> 01:14:33,347 We are actually here all about science and reason. 1358 01:14:33,382 --> 01:14:34,970 The ark was built with science and reason. 1359 01:14:35,004 --> 01:14:38,283 Look at what a magnificent structure it is. 1360 01:14:38,318 --> 01:14:39,905 Disneyland quality, 1361 01:14:39,940 --> 01:14:42,460 some of the very best stuff that's ever been built. 1362 01:14:42,494 --> 01:14:44,462 I think the atheists should be proud 1363 01:14:44,496 --> 01:14:48,362 and say, "Christians, I can't believe you've used science and reason so well." 1364 01:14:48,397 --> 01:14:50,192 Let's not engage them, let's not talk to them, 1365 01:14:50,226 --> 01:14:51,952 let's have zero conversation with them. 1366 01:14:51,987 --> 01:14:55,542 What I want you to do is stand in front of the sign and back of the sign 1367 01:14:55,576 --> 01:14:57,268 for every sign they have. 1368 01:14:57,302 --> 01:14:58,821 I would prefer if they go over there, 1369 01:14:58,855 --> 01:15:00,892 so we're less likely to have confrontations. 1370 01:15:01,410 --> 01:15:03,757 [SPEAKING] 1371 01:15:03,791 --> 01:15:04,827 Yes. 1372 01:15:05,345 --> 01:15:06,622 Thank you. 1373 01:15:07,036 --> 01:15:08,555 [SPEAKING] 1374 01:15:16,839 --> 01:15:20,325 No, I... I made all these signs myself. 1375 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,776 I haven't asked people to come at all. 1376 01:15:22,810 --> 01:15:25,779 I'm telling you. I have not asked anybody to show up here at all. 1377 01:15:26,573 --> 01:15:29,369 [BLOWING TRUMPETS] 1378 01:15:44,384 --> 01:15:46,386 [CROWD CLAPPING] 1379 01:15:52,185 --> 01:15:53,496 HAM: Thank you. 1380 01:15:53,531 --> 01:15:55,567 Gonna be a little different than what you might be, 1381 01:15:55,602 --> 01:15:59,468 say in church, or in some special meeting. 1382 01:15:59,502 --> 01:16:02,643 Normally I know you're told to turn your cell phones, 1383 01:16:02,678 --> 01:16:04,542 your smartphones off, 1384 01:16:04,576 --> 01:16:06,026 put them in your pocket, 1385 01:16:06,061 --> 01:16:07,648 turn them on to vibrate. 1386 01:16:08,753 --> 01:16:11,376 I want you to make sure they're on. 1387 01:16:11,411 --> 01:16:14,310 We want you to tweet. We want you to blog. 1388 01:16:14,345 --> 01:16:15,760 We want you to post. 1389 01:16:15,794 --> 01:16:19,833 Because we want seven billion people to come here. 1390 01:16:19,867 --> 01:16:21,283 [APPLAUDING] 1391 01:16:21,317 --> 01:16:25,183 Forty-three thousand families or individuals 1392 01:16:26,046 --> 01:16:29,153 that gave 123,000 gifts. 1393 01:16:29,532 --> 01:16:31,431 That's you. 1394 01:16:31,465 --> 01:16:33,191 Thank you for being a part of this ministry. 1395 01:16:39,128 --> 01:16:40,716 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 1396 01:16:40,750 --> 01:16:43,719 This park tells people that evolution is not true, 1397 01:16:43,753 --> 01:16:46,342 science isn't true, this Earth is only 6,000 years old. 1398 01:16:46,377 --> 01:16:48,068 This is ridiculous. 1399 01:16:48,103 --> 01:16:50,622 But keep in mind, we didn't build a park based on genocide and incest. 1400 01:16:50,657 --> 01:16:52,314 We're just advertising for them, 1401 01:16:52,348 --> 01:16:54,109 and calling it what it is. 1402 01:16:54,143 --> 01:16:56,352 And now we've changed the conversation. 1403 01:16:56,387 --> 01:16:58,285 Anybody wanna engage in good dialog? 1404 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,563 Actually we do know that it never happened. 1405 01:17:00,598 --> 01:17:02,186 No, we know that it actually did happen. 1406 01:17:02,220 --> 01:17:03,739 [CROWD CHANTING INDISTINCTLY] 1407 01:17:03,773 --> 01:17:04,981 [SPEAKING] 1408 01:17:09,296 --> 01:17:10,642 CROWD: ♪ Tax break there 1409 01:17:10,677 --> 01:17:13,576 ♪ Here a break, there a break Everywhere a tax break 1410 01:17:13,611 --> 01:17:16,303 ♪ The Ark Encounter is a shit 1411 01:17:16,338 --> 01:17:18,340 ♪ E-I-E-I-O 1412 01:17:18,374 --> 01:17:20,618 [SPEAKING] 1413 01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:24,691 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATION] 1414 01:17:30,835 --> 01:17:34,390 CROWD: ♪ Hey, hey, hey Goodbye 1415 01:17:34,425 --> 01:17:38,601 ♪ Na, na, na, na Na, na, na, na 1416 01:17:38,636 --> 01:17:42,157 ♪ Hey, hey, hey Goodbye ♪ 1417 01:17:42,191 --> 01:17:44,400 [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] 1418 01:17:44,435 --> 01:17:48,404 Um, on behalf of the city of Williamstown, 1419 01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,165 and the State of Kentucky, 1420 01:17:50,199 --> 01:17:54,169 I would like to officially declare the Ark Encounter open. 1421 01:17:55,170 --> 01:17:56,895 [PEOPLE CHEERING] 1422 01:17:57,724 --> 01:18:00,278 [TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYING] 1423 01:18:26,339 --> 01:18:29,100 [MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 1424 01:18:29,134 --> 01:18:32,207 The entrance to the ark is on the right hand side. 1425 01:18:32,241 --> 01:18:36,072 [CONTINUES INDISTINCTLY] 1426 01:18:41,871 --> 01:18:46,117 The visual impact of a structure like this is just crazy. 1427 01:18:46,151 --> 01:18:50,328 It's astounding. I'm really, really excited. I... 1428 01:18:50,363 --> 01:18:52,019 I don't want to be, but I am. 1429 01:18:59,820 --> 01:19:03,168 It's just insane how big this thing is. 1430 01:19:03,583 --> 01:19:05,826 It's... It's... 1431 01:19:06,517 --> 01:19:08,139 Really, really, really big. 1432 01:19:18,218 --> 01:19:23,430 It really isn't what I expected at all for this initial entrance area. 1433 01:19:23,465 --> 01:19:25,190 [THUNDER RUMBLES] 1434 01:19:52,459 --> 01:19:56,601 Yes, there's a part of me that's just super thrilled that it's here. 1435 01:19:56,636 --> 01:19:58,672 Just because it's really cool to see. 1436 01:20:00,467 --> 01:20:04,368 Even if it can be a little bit frustrating to think about. 1437 01:20:19,244 --> 01:20:21,902 It's just massive. There's no denying that. 1438 01:20:29,047 --> 01:20:32,396 You know, this might be some people's definition of Hell. [LAUGHS] 1439 01:20:33,845 --> 01:20:36,641 I've never smoked marijuana, 1440 01:20:36,676 --> 01:20:41,059 but if somebody offered me a bit of acid right now, I think I'd take it. 1441 01:20:42,267 --> 01:20:43,717 Ooh! 1442 01:20:51,622 --> 01:20:53,451 The baby dinosaur. 1443 01:21:03,254 --> 01:21:07,120 Who knew that Adam and Eve sacrificed dinosaurs. Look at that. 1444 01:21:09,156 --> 01:21:10,399 [CHILD SPEAKING] 1445 01:21:22,204 --> 01:21:23,861 [WOMAN SPEAKING] 1446 01:21:43,121 --> 01:21:45,883 DAVID MACMILLAN: Science denial is huge. 1447 01:21:45,917 --> 01:21:51,060 Creationism is one of the most far reaching examples of science denial. 1448 01:21:53,649 --> 01:21:55,444 Creationists have been pretty vocal. 1449 01:21:57,481 --> 01:22:00,242 And they're gonna continue to have dinosaurs. 1450 01:22:00,276 --> 01:22:02,244 They're going to have flashy exhibits. 1451 01:22:02,278 --> 01:22:04,073 They're gonna build new museums. 1452 01:22:04,108 --> 01:22:07,352 And they're really going to try hard to leverage everything they can. 1453 01:22:14,843 --> 01:22:17,259 One, two, three. 1454 01:22:17,293 --> 01:22:18,536 [ALL SPEAKING] 1455 01:22:19,123 --> 01:22:20,227 Rad! 1456 01:22:20,262 --> 01:22:22,264 One more time. With your hands up. 1457 01:22:22,298 --> 01:22:25,232 Especially you. You need to be more excited. I know you can. 1458 01:22:25,957 --> 01:22:27,442 All right. Ready? 1459 01:22:27,856 --> 01:22:29,892 One, two, three! 1460 01:22:29,927 --> 01:22:32,688 ALL: We love the Ark Encounter! 1461 01:22:32,723 --> 01:22:36,451 It took us several decades to build the ark. 1462 01:22:36,485 --> 01:22:38,211 Why don't I look 600? 1463 01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:40,834 What do you mean? 1464 01:22:40,869 --> 01:22:45,770 I look about the same age as any other 600-year-old person I've met. 1465 01:22:45,805 --> 01:22:47,876 [CHUCKLES] Well, 1466 01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:50,257 except for my wife, 1467 01:22:50,292 --> 01:22:51,673 of course. 1468 01:22:51,707 --> 01:22:54,503 She doesn't look a day past 400. 1469 01:23:03,892 --> 01:23:07,930 Weird in saber-jawed carnivoran, 1470 01:23:07,965 --> 01:23:11,106 but it's not related to cats apparently, 1471 01:23:11,140 --> 01:23:12,521 even though it looks like them. 1472 01:23:12,556 --> 01:23:14,316 Are they like pre-turtles? 1473 01:23:14,350 --> 01:23:17,975 Are they like turtle super... We can't... We don't know. 1474 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,228 I think these are the T-Rex kind. 1475 01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:37,028 It's a little racy in here. 1476 01:23:42,620 --> 01:23:44,967 [SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING] 1477 01:23:59,257 --> 01:24:01,259 [WOMAN SPEAKING] 1478 01:24:28,045 --> 01:24:30,185 -WOMAN: Did they have underwear? -Yeah. 1479 01:24:43,578 --> 01:24:45,545 DAN PHELPS: Of course, us Kentuckians like to say, 1480 01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:48,583 if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything. 1481 01:24:52,069 --> 01:24:55,210 I can say positively that the building was nice. 1482 01:24:55,244 --> 01:24:56,936 It was beautifully constructed, 1483 01:24:56,970 --> 01:24:58,662 and amazing amount of work. 1484 01:25:06,290 --> 01:25:08,016 As far as the content, however, 1485 01:25:08,050 --> 01:25:11,295 of course, I have a much more negative view. 1486 01:25:11,329 --> 01:25:14,263 I'd really even hate to say bad science or pseudo-science. 1487 01:25:14,298 --> 01:25:17,232 The anti-science and non-science that's depicting 1488 01:25:17,266 --> 01:25:19,614 the age of the Earth and Universe. 1489 01:25:21,339 --> 01:25:24,239 Claiming that all the world's sedimentary geology 1490 01:25:24,273 --> 01:25:26,655 is the result of Noah's flood. 1491 01:25:26,690 --> 01:25:29,831 The pieces of evidence that they try to use for that 1492 01:25:29,865 --> 01:25:31,418 are really, really bad. 1493 01:25:31,453 --> 01:25:33,628 They've been debunked for years. 1494 01:25:35,112 --> 01:25:36,665 It's bullshit. 1495 01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:40,393 I mean, there is not a fair word, scientific word to describe it. 1496 01:25:50,679 --> 01:25:54,614 Of course, this will follow Kentuckians wherever they go. 1497 01:25:54,649 --> 01:25:56,685 Kentucky always has had the backward image 1498 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,826 as being non-scientific, or anti-scientific. 1499 01:25:59,861 --> 01:26:01,586 And now, people besides saying, 1500 01:26:01,621 --> 01:26:04,382 "Oh, you're from that place where that crazy Creations Museum is. 1501 01:26:04,417 --> 01:26:06,591 "Oh, you're from the place where the Ark is." 1502 01:26:07,213 --> 01:26:09,525 [MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING] 1503 01:27:26,948 --> 01:27:28,639 [TRAIN CHUGGING] 1504 01:27:33,782 --> 01:27:35,715 MAN: What's it meant for Downtown Williamstown? 1505 01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:38,787 Nothing. I was one of the believers that when the ark came, 1506 01:27:38,822 --> 01:27:41,065 just everything's gonna come in. 1507 01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:44,620 It's not done it, Joe. It's not done it. 1508 01:27:44,655 --> 01:27:47,106 I think the ark's done well. [LAUGHS] 1509 01:27:47,140 --> 01:27:48,383 And I'm glad for them on that. 1510 01:27:48,417 --> 01:27:51,766 But it's not done us good at all. 1511 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,147 And I was very direct with them. You know, uh, 1512 01:27:54,182 --> 01:27:56,149 if somebody asked me 1513 01:27:56,184 --> 01:27:57,564 if we were getting any taxes from it, 1514 01:27:57,599 --> 01:27:59,739 I can't lie about it, you know. 1515 01:28:00,429 --> 01:28:03,570 [SPEAKING] 1516 01:28:03,605 --> 01:28:05,883 It wasn't the friendliest letter in the world. 1517 01:28:05,918 --> 01:28:09,197 He just was a little upset with me. 1518 01:28:09,231 --> 01:28:10,957 And I agree with him. I should promote it. 1519 01:28:10,992 --> 01:28:13,511 But you know, I just... And I do! 1520 01:28:13,546 --> 01:28:16,825 But he didn't like what I said about a couple of things, you know. 1521 01:28:16,860 --> 01:28:18,827 I hated that he was angry. 1522 01:28:18,862 --> 01:28:20,208 Well, he was real angry. 1523 01:28:20,242 --> 01:28:24,522 But he was pretty... straightforward. 1524 01:28:26,421 --> 01:28:27,525 Well, let me tell you something. 1525 01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,389 Nobody and their ark's coming into town. 1526 01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:33,497 Maybe eight cars a day. 1527 01:28:33,531 --> 01:28:35,361 And then they drive two days. 1528 01:28:35,879 --> 01:28:37,294 There's nothing here. 1529 01:28:37,328 --> 01:28:40,159 I hate it, too. But this used to be a wonderful little town. 1530 01:28:43,748 --> 01:28:48,236 My hope is that it is successful, really. 1531 01:28:48,270 --> 01:28:49,824 We're hoping some restaurants are coming here. 1532 01:28:49,858 --> 01:28:51,273 But I haven't heard anybody 1533 01:28:51,308 --> 01:28:53,103 or anything coming in right now, 1534 01:28:53,137 --> 01:28:54,552 to Williamstown. 1535 01:28:57,141 --> 01:28:58,798 I was in as much shock as you. 1536 01:28:58,833 --> 01:29:00,524 I didn't know it was going to close, 1537 01:29:00,558 --> 01:29:03,596 even though I knew they weren't doing well. 1538 01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:06,495 And I know he thought this could be the new Gatlinburg. 1539 01:29:07,634 --> 01:29:09,395 It's a shame. 1540 01:29:09,429 --> 01:29:11,155 JAMIE BAKER: " Well, of course it's in Kentucky. 1541 01:29:11,190 --> 01:29:12,812 "'Cause they're a bunch of religious zealots." 1542 01:29:12,847 --> 01:29:14,296 Or, "They're part of the Bible Belt." 1543 01:29:14,331 --> 01:29:15,573 You know, those kind of comments. 1544 01:29:15,608 --> 01:29:17,748 I think those were generalizations that, 1545 01:29:17,782 --> 01:29:20,164 that are very unfair. 1546 01:29:20,199 --> 01:29:24,410 I've had people say, "Do you believe the theory about the dinosaurs? 1547 01:29:24,444 --> 01:29:26,757 "Do you believe, you know, how old the Earth is?" 1548 01:29:26,791 --> 01:29:29,380 And I said, "I'm not gonna address any of that." 1549 01:29:29,415 --> 01:29:31,969 Religion is a personal choice. 1550 01:29:32,004 --> 01:29:35,559 It is the way you view the world. 1551 01:29:35,593 --> 01:29:38,355 I don't know how to explain faith to somebody. 1552 01:29:38,389 --> 01:29:42,428 Um, it is the thing that is hoped for and unseen. 1553 01:29:44,913 --> 01:29:48,296 But again, when you're talking about the ark itself, 1554 01:29:48,330 --> 01:29:51,713 as a community, we have to put that aside. 1555 01:29:51,747 --> 01:29:55,372 And it comes down to we are home to the ark, 1556 01:29:55,406 --> 01:29:57,650 it is a business, it is an attraction, 1557 01:29:57,684 --> 01:29:59,514 and it is bringing people here. 1558 01:29:59,548 --> 01:30:01,550 So we have to capitalize on that 1559 01:30:01,585 --> 01:30:04,036 if we wanna move forward and grow, and be successful. 1560 01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:06,831 And I am very optimistic that we can do those things. 1561 01:30:08,488 --> 01:30:10,905 Time is what it's gonna take. 1562 01:30:21,191 --> 01:30:24,746 DAVID MACMILLAN: I've lost the sense that I have to be right. 1563 01:30:24,780 --> 01:30:27,956 I've lost the obligation to always be correct, 1564 01:30:27,991 --> 01:30:29,751 and always be this authority. 1565 01:30:29,785 --> 01:30:32,409 I've lost that sense of obligation 1566 01:30:32,443 --> 01:30:35,308 and that hunger that I have to know everything 1567 01:30:35,343 --> 01:30:36,861 or otherwise everything's gonna crumble. 1568 01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:42,281 I would definitely be interested in writing about how 1569 01:30:42,315 --> 01:30:47,355 the current political climate has changed the way we look at Creationism. 1570 01:30:48,321 --> 01:30:50,013 These things are being turned into policy 1571 01:30:50,047 --> 01:30:51,980 and we're seeing that impact, 1572 01:30:52,015 --> 01:30:54,707 and I'm really worried about what that impact's going to be. 1573 01:31:02,197 --> 01:31:03,681 [MAN SPEAKING] 1574 01:31:03,716 --> 01:31:04,682 No. 1575 01:31:04,717 --> 01:31:06,684 I don't. I can't say I miss Kentucky much. 1576 01:31:09,825 --> 01:31:12,552 DOUG HENDERSON: [CHUCKLES] The ark has been good for business. 1577 01:31:12,587 --> 01:31:14,658 That is an understatement. 1578 01:31:14,692 --> 01:31:16,971 The attendance here is doubled. Yeah. 1579 01:31:18,455 --> 01:31:21,768 We're actually doubling our leach beds 1580 01:31:21,803 --> 01:31:24,047 and our sewage and all that stuff on property 1581 01:31:24,081 --> 01:31:26,428 because of it. We have no choice. 1582 01:31:26,463 --> 01:31:30,363 Since this is so much of the biblical history, 1583 01:31:30,398 --> 01:31:33,780 there's only a little bit of evidence. 1584 01:31:33,815 --> 01:31:35,782 There's only a little bit of fossil stuff. 1585 01:31:35,817 --> 01:31:37,646 There's only a little bit of that kind of stuff. 1586 01:31:37,681 --> 01:31:40,649 So what we wanna do is put another museum over there 1587 01:31:40,684 --> 01:31:42,789 that really focuses on evidence. 1588 01:31:42,824 --> 01:31:45,620 We own 50 acres here, so we got room to grow. 1589 01:31:54,905 --> 01:31:57,218 MAN: Our next speaker is Daniel Phelps, 1590 01:31:57,252 --> 01:31:59,530 who is a Lexington native. 1591 01:31:59,565 --> 01:32:01,636 He is the winner of the prestigious 1592 01:32:01,670 --> 01:32:05,605 National Center for Science Education's Friend of Darwin award. 1593 01:32:06,192 --> 01:32:07,504 [CROWD CHEERS] 1594 01:32:07,538 --> 01:32:09,713 DAN PHELPS: Of course, I'll remain Ken Ham's nemesis 1595 01:32:09,747 --> 01:32:11,508 as long as he's here in Kentucky. 1596 01:32:11,542 --> 01:32:13,682 ...reality based on the light of evidence. 1597 01:32:13,717 --> 01:32:15,546 -Thank you very much. -[CROWD CHEERS] 1598 01:32:15,581 --> 01:32:19,412 And he better behave himself. 1599 01:32:21,104 --> 01:32:23,520 Ham is more complex than people realize. 1600 01:32:23,554 --> 01:32:26,937 I think that he has a business 1601 01:32:27,455 --> 01:32:29,388 ability about him. 1602 01:32:29,422 --> 01:32:31,907 That he's a good propagandist. 1603 01:32:32,736 --> 01:32:34,462 He is a wonderful propagandist. 1604 01:32:34,496 --> 01:32:36,395 He holds the whole thing together. 1605 01:32:36,429 --> 01:32:38,949 Within a few years he had the Creation Museum, 1606 01:32:38,983 --> 01:32:41,434 and eventually he had the Ark made. 1607 01:32:42,918 --> 01:32:45,335 [INAUDIBLE DIALOG] 1608 01:32:45,369 --> 01:32:49,063 Like I've said before. I sort of feel like I failed basically 1609 01:32:49,097 --> 01:32:51,099 fighting this. 1610 01:32:51,134 --> 01:32:53,377 My goal was to make sure 1611 01:32:53,412 --> 01:32:55,241 that they didn't get the tax incentive money. 1612 01:32:55,276 --> 01:32:58,589 Which is 18 and a quarter million over a ten year period. 1613 01:32:59,418 --> 01:33:03,077 So, I feel I lost major on that. 1614 01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:08,496 It was just something that I put a lot of time in, 1615 01:33:08,530 --> 01:33:10,360 and it just didn't work out. 1616 01:33:10,394 --> 01:33:11,982 You can't have everything work out. 1617 01:33:15,710 --> 01:33:17,332 I remember when I was a little kid, 1618 01:33:17,367 --> 01:33:19,852 my dad took me downtown 1619 01:33:19,886 --> 01:33:23,027 without my mother knowing we watched the movie Patton. 1620 01:33:24,650 --> 01:33:28,516 And I'll never forget the opening scenes where Pat was talking to the troops 1621 01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:32,485 saying, "Someday you're gonna have your grandkids ask you what did you do in the war? 1622 01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,661 And are you gonna tell them that you shoveled shit in New Orleans, 1623 01:33:35,695 --> 01:33:37,628 "or you actually went out and fought?" 1624 01:33:39,216 --> 01:33:42,944 You can say, "Well, I posted stuff to Facebook." 1625 01:33:42,978 --> 01:33:46,879 Or you can say, "I actually went out and we tried to do something." 1626 01:33:48,674 --> 01:33:51,849 And I think at least... At least I tried. 1627 01:33:55,232 --> 01:33:58,270 Of course this problem isn't going to go away in our lifetime, 1628 01:33:58,304 --> 01:34:03,067 or maybe even our children or grandchildren's lifetimes. 1629 01:34:03,102 --> 01:34:06,830 The Creationist movement will be with us for a very long time. 1630 01:34:07,865 --> 01:34:10,592 Here's another exciting part of the project. 1631 01:34:10,627 --> 01:34:12,076 We building Noah's Ark, 1632 01:34:12,111 --> 01:34:13,802 that's only phase one. 1633 01:34:13,837 --> 01:34:15,735 We have other phases planned as well. 1634 01:34:15,770 --> 01:34:20,292 We master planned an entire park to go with Noah's Ark. 1635 01:34:20,326 --> 01:34:21,914 We have, for instance, 1636 01:34:21,948 --> 01:34:25,262 a petting zoo, a stage for live animal programs, 1637 01:34:25,297 --> 01:34:27,161 the children's area. 1638 01:34:27,195 --> 01:34:30,612 a Tower of Babel with a 5-D theater, ride through the plagues of Egypt. 1639 01:34:30,647 --> 01:34:32,200 A first century village. 1640 01:34:32,235 --> 01:34:33,339 Drama theaters. 1641 01:34:33,374 --> 01:34:35,065 [VOICE FADES AWAY] 1642 01:34:35,099 --> 01:34:36,653 [THUNDER CRASHING] 1643 01:34:36,687 --> 01:34:39,000 [MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING] 1644 01:35:32,916 --> 01:35:35,988 MODERATOR: Senator McCain, this comes from a politico.com reader 1645 01:35:36,022 --> 01:35:39,060 and was among the top vote getters in our early rounds. 1646 01:35:39,094 --> 01:35:40,337 I want a yes or no. 1647 01:35:40,372 --> 01:35:41,338 Do you believe in evolution? 1648 01:35:42,926 --> 01:35:44,479 Yes. 1649 01:35:44,514 --> 01:35:47,206 I'm curious. Is there anybody on the stage that does not agree on that, 1650 01:35:47,241 --> 01:35:49,381 believe in evolution? 1651 01:35:49,415 --> 01:35:52,936 I've come to understand that all that stuff I was taught about evolution 1652 01:35:54,351 --> 01:35:57,181 and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, 1653 01:35:57,216 --> 01:36:01,255 all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. 1654 01:36:01,289 --> 01:36:04,534 I don't believe that the earth's but about 9,000 years old. 1655 01:36:04,568 --> 01:36:08,158 I personally believe that this theory 1656 01:36:09,332 --> 01:36:11,230 that Darwin came up with 1657 01:36:12,369 --> 01:36:14,682 was something that 1658 01:36:14,716 --> 01:36:18,030 was encouraged by the adversary. 1659 01:36:19,031 --> 01:36:21,240 [SPEAKING] 1660 01:36:34,253 --> 01:36:36,531 All right. We're gonna go through some interesting news items 1661 01:36:36,566 --> 01:36:38,015 of the past few days. 1662 01:36:38,050 --> 01:36:43,780 The first one involves a group called 137 Films 1663 01:36:43,814 --> 01:36:48,681 that asked for access to our designers 1664 01:36:48,716 --> 01:36:50,890 and others associated with building the ark. 1665 01:36:50,925 --> 01:36:53,859 And they wanted to come and film for a documentary. 1666 01:36:53,893 --> 01:36:57,414 So, 137 films from their website 1667 01:36:57,449 --> 01:37:01,107 says, "Creationists have built a $100 million, 510 foot Noah's Ark 1668 01:37:01,142 --> 01:37:04,318 "with the express purpose of debunking evolution." 1669 01:37:04,352 --> 01:37:05,802 Wrong. 1670 01:37:05,836 --> 01:37:07,631 It's science vs. religion. 1671 01:37:07,666 --> 01:37:09,046 And over and over again. 1672 01:37:09,081 --> 01:37:10,220 -What do they mean by science? -Yeah. 1673 01:37:10,254 --> 01:37:11,946 Over and over again we say it's not science. 1674 01:37:11,980 --> 01:37:13,430 -This is religion. -That's right. 1675 01:37:13,465 --> 01:37:14,776 It's religion vs. religion. 1676 01:37:14,811 --> 01:37:17,158 Exactly. The thing is they don't want to admit 1677 01:37:17,192 --> 01:37:18,953 that evolution really is a religion. 1678 01:37:18,987 --> 01:37:20,506 I mean, molecules demand evolution. 1679 01:37:20,541 --> 01:37:22,197 It's a belief. 1680 01:37:22,232 --> 01:37:25,649 Again, it's an attempt at brainwashing and indoctrinating the public 1681 01:37:25,684 --> 01:37:27,479 that, "I don't believe these Creationists, 1682 01:37:27,513 --> 01:37:29,377 "because they're not real scientists 1683 01:37:29,412 --> 01:37:30,723 "and that's religion. 1684 01:37:30,758 --> 01:37:33,070 "Real science believes, millions of years believes, 1685 01:37:33,105 --> 01:37:35,176 "man evolved from ape-like creatures." 1686 01:37:35,210 --> 01:37:37,730 Well, they say we're gonna have rides at the Ark Encounter, 1687 01:37:37,765 --> 01:37:39,283 like a Tower of Babel ride. Things like that. 1688 01:37:39,318 --> 01:37:41,631 I mean, is that kind of stuff really gonna happen? 1689 01:37:41,665 --> 01:37:43,495 Well, it'll be a different sort of ride. 1690 01:37:43,529 --> 01:37:45,635 -It's not a ride for an amusement park. -That's right. 1691 01:37:45,669 --> 01:37:47,568 It'll be just like a people carrier. 1692 01:37:47,602 --> 01:37:49,432 To carry people through maybe the history. 1693 01:37:49,466 --> 01:37:53,056 Anyway, this 137 Films is trying to raise money for their documentary. 1694 01:37:53,090 --> 01:37:54,402 They wanna get it shown in picture theaters, 1695 01:37:54,437 --> 01:37:57,854 so they can try to indoctrinate and inoculate the public 1696 01:37:57,888 --> 01:37:59,407 against the Bible. 1697 01:37:59,442 --> 01:38:01,927 That's the way it goes. 1698 01:38:01,961 --> 01:38:04,861 Hey, here's a piece from Publishers Weekly...